Frage von iasi:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Avt5jFnIn_g
Man hat den Eindruck, der Trailer erzählt und zeigt schon alles.
Es sieht leider zu sehr nach Bombast-Werbeclip aus.
Antwort von Alex:
Ridley Scott accused of being “lazy” by ‘Gladiator II’ cinematographer
John Mathieson, the cinematographer for Gladiator II, recently accused Ridley Scott of adopting a “lazy” approach to filmmaking for the blockbuster sequel, claiming that he exhibited signs of lacking crucial attention to detail.
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/ridley-sco ... tographer/
Antwort von 7River:
Ich fand den recht gut. Gestern im Kino gesehen. Man hat ja immer mal wieder Gerüchte darüber gehört. Jetzt ist er (endlich) da.
Antwort von Frank Glencairn:
Alex hat geschrieben:
Ridley Scott accused of being “lazy” by ‘Gladiator II’ cinematographer
John Mathieson, the cinematographer for Gladiator II, recently accused Ridley Scott of adopting a “lazy” approach to filmmaking for the blockbuster sequel, claiming that he exhibited signs of lacking crucial attention to detail.
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/ridley-sco ... tographer/
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“One thing I was sure about was that John never intended to criticize Ridley,” Levy said. “It does seem that bringing separate comments closer together might have made things ambiguous if people chose to take things out of context – which they did. I’m sorry John and I didn’t have a chance to go through it after my cutdown. In the end, some people have chosen to listen to it and imply things John certainly never meant…I’m sorry for any problems this has caused John, the film and Ridley Scott. He is, after all, a clearly brilliant film director.”
Said Mathieson: “The piece was about me. I was talking about the downside of the digital age. We have to do more. We have to get more shots, we have to shoot more every day, and we have to light and think of many cameras at the same time. And I said, you ask any DP that they don’t really like doing that. And we talked about that and I said that people just come in the morning, switch the coffee machine on, switch the cameras on, say, what are we doing? Because the digital stuff doesn’t cost anything, but so you shoot a lot. And I saying that is that, and I said, this was the quote. I said, the industry, it’s really lazy. Lazy and sloppy are not two words I would ever put with this gentleman of a certain age and genius. But if you slide out — and you can hear it — you slide out a paragraph and put it right next to, oh, let’s talk about Rid and multi cameras. And he edits the piece down to 30 minutes…I could hear the blip of the sound. I said, well, that wasn’t said against that. That was probably said maybe 20 minutes later. However, this is what has risen to the surface. And I’m deeply regretful of that.”
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Antwort von iasi:
"Frank Glencairn" hat geschrieben:
Alex hat geschrieben:
Ridley Scott accused of being “lazy” by ‘Gladiator II’ cinematographer
John Mathieson, the cinematographer for Gladiator II, recently accused Ridley Scott of adopting a “lazy” approach to filmmaking for the blockbuster sequel, claiming that he exhibited signs of lacking crucial attention to detail.
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/ridley-sco ... tographer/
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“One thing I was sure about was that John never intended to criticize Ridley,” Levy said. “It does seem that bringing separate comments closer together might have made things ambiguous if people chose to take things out of context – which they did. I’m sorry John and I didn’t have a chance to go through it after my cutdown. In the end, some people have chosen to listen to it and imply things John certainly never meant…I’m sorry for any problems this has caused John, the film and Ridley Scott. He is, after all, a clearly brilliant film director.”
Said Mathieson: “The piece was about me. I was talking about the downside of the digital age. We have to do more. We have to get more shots, we have to shoot more every day, and we have to light and think of many cameras at the same time. And I said, you ask any DP that they don’t really like doing that. And we talked about that and I said that people just come in the morning, switch the coffee machine on, switch the cameras on, say, what are we doing? Because the digital stuff doesn’t cost anything, but so you shoot a lot. And I saying that is that, and I said, this was the quote. I said, the industry, it’s really lazy. Lazy and sloppy are not two words I would ever put with this gentleman of a certain age and genius. But if you slide out — and you can hear it — you slide out a paragraph and put it right next to, oh, let’s talk about Rid and multi cameras. And he edits the piece down to 30 minutes…I could hear the blip of the sound. I said, well, that wasn’t said against that. That was probably said maybe 20 minutes later. However, this is what has risen to the surface. And I’m deeply regretful of that.”
Es war sowieso verwunderlich, dass er Ridleys Einsatz von mehreren Kameras kritisierte, da dieser es schon früher tat, um schnell und effizient zu sein. Es hatte so geklungen, als ob Ridley Scott erst mit den Digitalkameras und den Postmöglichkeiten begonnen habe, mit mehreren Kameras gleichzeitig zu drehen.
"I said that people just come in the morning, ..., say, what are we doing?"
Dies kann man aber nicht dem "digital stuff" ankreiden. ;):)
Verständlich ist es, wenn es Leuten nicht gefällt, dass sie "have to do more." Und auch, wenn sie mehr shots an einem Drehtag machen müssen.
Die Beschränkungen, für mehrere Kameras gleichzeitig ausleuchten zu müssen, schmeckt natürlich auch niemandem - wer mag schon Beschränkungen.
Die Möglichkeiten der digitalen Nachbearbeitung dazu zu nutzen, um effizienter und schneller drehen zu können, ist jedoch nicht "lazy".
Pappbecher im Weltraum oder Armbanduhren im Ritterfilm gab es übrigens schon früher. Heute muss man sie nicht mehr auf der Leinwand sehen.
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Antwort von macaw:
In den Kommentaren kamen viele mit der selben Theorie, die mir auch durch den Kopf ging...Scott ist 86 und arbeitet vermutlich wie ein Psycho gegen die Zeit. Der letzte Film von ihm, den ich gut fand war American Gangster von 2007. Die neuen "Alien" bzw. "Fassbinder-Fetisch" Filme besiegelten meine Ansicht, daß er komplett Banane ist. Einige Kommentatoren zu der Kritik vom Gladiator II DOP sagten, daß er so ab 2010 anfing immer weniger wert auf die Photographie zu legen.
Ich hab dieses Video gefunden, da geht es zwar primär um irgendeinen Wasserkampf im Colosseum, aber auch allgemein Kameras, Objektive etc. für die Produktion:
Antwort von Darth Schneider:
Ich weiss nicht.
Also Prometeus hatte zwar einige heftige Logikfehler drin, aber das war dennoch kein schlechter Film, der neue Alien soll ja auch ganz gut sein. Und Fassbender ist doch schon ein guter Schauspieler.
Ich würde ich alles glauben was im Netz gesagt/ geschrieben wird.
Scott würde gar keine Filme mehr machen wenn er das nicht mehr könnte.
Warum sollte er auch ? Es zwingt ihn niemand dazu…
Gruss Boris
Antwort von Darth Schneider:
Aber klar, ich fand es von Anfang eine sehr dumme Idee einem Kultfilm wie Gladiator, der ja eh besser gar nicht sein könnte, wo der Held noch am Schluss so etwas von stirbt überhaupt einen zweiten Teil zu geben.
Wobei diese Seeschlacht im Kolosseum Szene da oben im Making of sieht schon sehr aufregend aus.
Gruss Boris
