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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 02:34:09 -0800
From: "Richard Taylor" [exile@21stcentury.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DV-L Doings. Please read !!!!!!
message-ID: <7745071C10F2.AAA4104@mail1.21stcentury.net>
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Hi John Holmgren, you wrote on 1/24/2001 8:44:45 AM:
>If you want to spend all your time maintaining balky software that
>produces long HTTP transfers that drive peasant 28.8 users mad,
>install IIS and Dreamweaver. If you want a care-free hands-off
>website that is easy to assemble and runs for years without service
>and is blessed by outlanders who must use 28.8 even occasionally,
>(maybe from a laptop at a motel on the outskirts of town) use
>Apache and home-brew HTML from a text editor.
Yeah... I'm thinking the best fix would be to just
delete it all and install linux.
As for Dreamweaver... it makes nice fast sketches but
it takes forever to clean up the code.
*This* http://www.w3.org/Amaya/, on the other hand, kicks ass.
Toss in MYSQL, or any of the databases from the plethora offered for
linux, any of the *great* {try the links from www.freshmeat.net}
html preprocessors etc... toss in some of the stuff offered by IBM,
Oracle, etc, etc... http://freshmeat.net/appindex/web/database.html
you'll be cooking with gas...

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob England" [bigwoolydog@hotmail.com>
]To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org>
]Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 8:00 AM
>Subject: Re: DV-L Doings. Please read !!!!!!
>
>
> > Six: Now for the big question: What software to run. Assume we have all
>the
> > services of Win2K Server, SQLServer2000 etc running (I'm a fully paid
>MSDN
> > Universal Subscriber, and I will NOT deduct the >$2K annual subscription
> > from the DV-L funds).
> >
> > We need:
> > - A good listserv software
> > - A good, database-driven website software.
> > - Possibly a combination of the two (currently running under the "Online
> > Community" moniker)
>
> Asked my partner who does this sort of thing for a living and he
>recommended:
> Microsoft IIS 5 (Internet Information Server 5), which comes with W2K
>Server as
> web server software and Allaire Cold Fusion for database-driven website
> software. This combo does a fairly heavyduty job on the Intranet where we
>both
> work which is a major so-cal HMO, so it'd be up to the task.
> Also, for website design Dreamweaver is known to work very well with Cold
> Fusion, in fact Macromedia and Allaire recently agreed to merge.
>
> Bob England
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 03:03:22 -0800
From: "Richard Taylor" [exile@21stcentury.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DV-L Doings. Please read !!!!!!
message-ID: <7745071C16BD.AAA48DF@mail1.21stcentury.net>
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Hi Martin Heffels, you wrote on 1/24/2001 9:22:46 AM:
>On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:08:18 -0600, "Marc C. Hood, EdD"
>[mhood@adent.com> wrote:
>
]I still enjoy the look on a student's face when they ask me what HTML
>wizard I recommend and I tell
>them notepad and Laura Lemay's latest book.
>
>But you would still need a syntax-checker for your HTML-code, because
>forgetting one tag, the result can be unpredictable.
>You could also use a WYSIWIG-editor like GoLive and hand-tune the
>code.
Wedit does check your code. ...Quite forcefully.
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:18:56 +0100
From: Cedric Tineo [cedric@tineo.com]
To: "DV L dvcentral.org" [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: JVC High Resolution (was: what is highest res. DV camcorder)
message-ID: [B695A9E1.1A75%cedric@tineo.com]
SORRY ! Seems like my questions were answered during the night (in
europe...) and I did not read those messages.
Cedric
On 25.1.2001 9:05, "Cedric Tineo" [cedric@tineo.com> wrote:
] Sorry to insist, but I think that Gary Packman's question hasn't been
> answered.
>
> I am also the very satisfied owner of a Gy-Dv500 (pal), and I would like to
> know in which situations I am supposed to set this menu option to a
> resolution of 380 lines or 450 and what kind of differences I am supposed to
> notice in the final image ?
>
> By the way, I might be missing something but in my process menu (pal camera)
> I only have a v.resolution item with the possible values being : normal or
> v.max, what is the effect of that and where am I supposed to find a 380/450
> lines of resolution switching menu.
>
> That's a lot of questions in one, sorry. Thanks a lot in advance for the
> answer.
>
> Cedric Tineo
> STEP Productions - Switzerland
>
> On 24.1.2001 2:42, "Freed, Ken" [KFreed@JVC.com> wrote:
>
>] This is worse, for sure. It has to do with the way we run a CCD.
>>
>> You think that for a field we read every other line. For example the odd
>> field has line 1, line 3, line 5 and so on. Then the even field uses line
>> 2, line 4, and line 6, etc. Makes sense and it is easy. It also wastes
>> half of the CCD all of the time. ie. even lines aren't used in odd field
>> and vice versa.
>>
>> So what we do is double the lines. For the odd field we combine lines 1 and
>> 2 as line 1, lines 3 and 4 as line 3, lines 5 and 6 as line 5, etc. For the
>> even field you combine 2 and 3 for line 2, lines 4 and 5 for line 4, and
>> lines 6 and 7 for line 6. etc.
>>
>> This does a few things:
>> Significant increase in sensitivity. Two pixels for the price of one.
>> Interesting effect on softening interlace artifacts.
>> Because of visual persistence and serious mathematics the resolution is not
>> nearly cut in half but to about 380 lines or so.
>> If you then go to a V-max mode of some sort where you don't double the lines
>> you have the native vertical resolution that you would intuitively expect,
>> although there is a drop in light gathering ability.
>>
>> Cool!
>>
>> KEN FREED, East Coast Region
>> NLE Specialist and REGIONAL SALES ENGINEER
>> JVC Digital Video Division
>> IT'S YOUR IMAGE - Trust it to D-9
>> USE THE POWER OF TIMEGATE IN YOUR EDIT SUITE
>> email: kfreed@jvc.com
>> Best way to reach me is my cell: (201)-637-7706
>> TimeGate Support HotLine (800) 970-9702
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Crittenden, Jan [SMTP:CRITTENDENJ@PANASONIC.COM]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 7:26 AM
>>> To: 'DV-L@dvcentral.org'
>>> Subject: RE: JVC High Resolution (was: what is highest res. DV
>>> camcorder)
>>>
>>> Gary Packman wrote:
>>> Now I have a question that will take this resolution question to new
>>> heights.
>>> A few months ago I purchased a GY-DV500. In process menu, there is a
>>> setting that allows me to select horizontal line resolutions of 380 or
>>> 450 lines.
>>> While I have no idea as to the answer for Gary, I now becomes clear what
>>> Ken
>>> was saying about his camera in his description on resolution, because it
>>> made no sense to me. Now I understand, Thanks Gary.
>>>
>>> Jan
>>>
>>> ------(cut off when replying)-------------------------------
>>> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
>>> http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
>>>
>>> This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
>>> http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com and the written (check or
>>> otherwise) contributions of its members.
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> ------(cut off when replying)-------------------------------
>> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
>> http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
>>
>> This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
>> http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com and the written (check or
>> otherwise) contributions of its members.
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> ------(cut off when replying)-------------------------------
> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
> http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
>
> This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
> http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
> http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members. To
> contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
>
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:40:16 -0000
From: "Perry" [perry.mitchell@btinternet.com]
To: "DV-L" [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: Everybody: Welcome Panasonic as a Lifetime Benefactor
message-ID: <000e01c086b2$d3ed0340$0f2dc22b@compaq>
Most folks here know that I have a running battle with Marketing BS, and
that occasionally I find myself fencing with Jan Crittenden. She sometimes
objects to my Anglo-Saxon directness but fights a good fight and off the
list has been very helpful to me.
I just want to go on record to say that Panasonic are very brave to stick
their neck out, or at least to allow Jan to stick her neck out, and I cannot
imagine but this will improve their standing with this community. JVC have
regularly had contacts on the List and it is thus to their utter shame that
we get a big fat 0 of communication from the big S. So, about that
ridiculous 800 lines of res . . . .
Perry Mitchell
Video Facilities
http://www.perrybits.co.uk/

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:00:48 +0100
From: "Jan De Wever" [jandw@anyvision.be]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: Offensive advertising. An ode to Robert.
message-ID:
Hey hey hey! We aren't joking about Belgians and their Belgian Francs (Bfr
or BEF) here, aren't we? If I had a scanner handy, I would mail you a scan
of such a note.
--
Jan De Wever - Leuven, Belgium
Anyvision Media Services
webmaster www.abcdv.com and proud to be a Belgian
-----Original Message-----
From: Bertel Schmitt [mailto:bschmitt@panix.com]
Well, soldier, how about giving me 100 pushups? Or $100 ? Or, if that
exhausts your budget, 100 BFR (do they make notes that small)?

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:22:51 +0100
From: hc gilje
To: [DV-L@DVCentral.org]
Subject: Re: TRV900 timecode problems
message-ID:
ok, let me rephrase my problem:
When I edit a sequence from finalcut to tape using the trv900, the
timecode seems fine. When I enter this tape into another
deck/camcorder the timecode reads 0:00:00:00 all the time, so the
timecode which seems to be on the tape on the trv900 is not there
when played back on other equipment. When I use the PC10 camera as
recorder I do not have the same problem, the timecode "sticks" with
the tape regardless of playback equipment.
hc gilje
>The timecode in the TRV-900, like most consumer / prosumer models, is not
>setable. When you insert a fresh tape it starts from zero regardless of
>whether you are recording from your computer or the camera section
.-. .-. http://www.nervousvision.com .-. .-.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 07:16:17 -0600
From: Rune Hansen [rune@styx.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: TV on aircraft
message-ID: <20010125071616.I19886@styx.net>
> >If it's a joke, I'd like to know how they fake 24 channels of
> >satellite TV.
> No joke. Just like with transatlantic telephony, they can now keep a
> gimbaled dish trained on that satellite throughout the flight. Dunno
> how they do it on JetBlue, but I sat next to an American Airlines
> head nerd during a shakedown cruise across the Atlantic, and he told
> me that their stuff actually runs on a (sorry, AM ) NT server up
> front in the galley area, with ATM networking to every seat. I asked
> him why is it that I still have to switch off my electronic devices,
> what with all that UTP in the plane, and he just rolled his eyes. I
> found the network cable and went through the motions of inserting it
> into my laptop. He pried the cable out of my hand.
Airlines are going to have a _much_ harder time in convincing me of the
dangers of using various electronic equipment with the news released by
SAS (Scandinavian Airlines System) just earlier this week:
01/01/24:
SAS, Telia and Tenzing test wireless e-mail and Internet onboard
aircraft
During the test, passengers will be able to send and receive e-mail
and have access to the Internet via an Internet server onboard the
aircraft. A LAN (Local Area Network) based on IEEE 802.11b
technology, the first standard developed for wireless networks, will
be installed in the cabin.

http://www.scandinavian.net/company/newsfacts/press/latesteng.asp
The paradox of inflight regulations have struck me as crazy for a long
time now:
- Sir, you can't use that cordless mouse with your laptop.
- Uhmm?
- You can't use a transmitter of any kind on this flight.
- I'm just using my laptop to listen to this CD. The mouse
has a range of about 6 feet.
- Oh, no, you're breaking two of our regulations!
It is not permitted to use electronics equipped with lasers.
You must switch off that CD immediately!
- But the guy in seat 8A is watching a DVD on his portable player.
- Certainly. That is permitted.
- Why is that?
- Electronic equipment that make use of lasers is strictly
forbidden, sir.
- OK, can you lend me one of those wireless Internet cards?
- Certainly, sir. Would you like a DVD-player with that?
*sigh* *argh*
--
Rune Hansen Simplemente
E-mail: rune@simplemente.net http://www.simplemente.net/
Kansas 31, #5 Tel: +52 5 543 7188
Col. Napoles, CP 03810, Mexico D.F.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 07:16:35 -0500
From: Keith [yakkei2@nyc.rr.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: Offensive advertising. An ode to Robert.
message-ID:
>>> # The following companies make CML possible :-
>>> #
>>> # Philips, SuperDailies, Aaton, Schneider, VFG
>>> # Fuji-USA, Kodak, Plus8Video, Formatt,
>>> # VFG Lighting, Mole-Richardson, ZGC, Cooke
>>> #
>>> # 1351 members on the 17th July 2000
>>> # copyright 2000 CML
It never ceases to amaze me what offends some people. Bigoted and
insensitive statements are offensive. Child pornography is offensive. My
morning breath is offensive. Blinking and animated .gif web ads are highly
annoying. But providing links to someone's business, which do not get in the
way of the content of the message, is neither offensive nor annoying.
Keith

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 07:20:06 -0500
From: Keith [yakkei2@nyc.rr.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: Selfish desires & the evils of HTML
message-ID:
On 1/24/01 6:01 PM, Bertel Schmitt got kicked off a skyscraper and screamed:
> Be it as it may, according to my wife's priest (who has returned to his old
> job as Senior VP at Christie's in the meantime) fund raising is not a sin,
> as long as the funds go to a good cause. And they will.
Haven't been paying attention here (100+ posts / day provide plenty of
motivation to delete most of them), but what's all this talk about donations
are fund-raising? And what does "DeVi-L" have to do with it?
Keith

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 07:21:53 -0500
From: Keith [yakkei2@nyc.rr.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: Selfish desires & the evils of HTML
message-ID:
On 1/24/01 6:27 PM, Charos got kicked off a skyscraper and screamed:
> Pagan should be capitalized. Golden calves are an
> object, not a proper name, so the spelling is correct
> here.....Bill Carpenter.... Sacred Circle
An expert on pagan practices and a member of the sacred circle....
hmmmmm.....

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 07:33:23 -0500
From: "Walt" [wwimberly@cfl.rr.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: Vendors throw suppoprt behind Prem6
message-ID: <012e01c086cd$29f1bd20$6401a8c0@design1>
There have been a number of reports of Premiere 6 working fine with the
Raptor and other Canopus boards. The final drivers will no doubt have some
additional capabilities but then Premiere 5 works well with the Canopus
boards anyway. Those who really need P6 the most are the OHCI users.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Lohse" [klohse@tc.cc.tx.us]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: Vendors throw suppoprt behind Prem6
Good news, but Canopus' site says it will be mid-February before Premiere 6
drivers for their products are available. Is Matrox's RT-2000 Premiere 6
ready, or will new drivers be necessary for it also? I have 5 PCs in my
classroom that will now have to wait to run Premiere 6.
Chalk up another one for the Mac. Premiere 6 works fine on my 5 iMacDVSEs
without any other software/hardware upgrades.
K Lohse
Texarkana College

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 07:47:00 -0500
From: "Walt" [wwimberly@cfl.rr.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: TRV900 timecode problems
message-ID: <012f01c086cd$2a2417c0$6401a8c0@design1>
You must have a problem with your camera. I have a TRV-900 and it's timecode
works on all of my other decks, DSR-30, DSR-20, and GVD-900.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "hc gilje"
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 5:22 AM
Subject: Re: TRV900 timecode problems
> ok, let me rephrase my problem:
> When I edit a sequence from finalcut to tape using the trv900, the
> timecode seems fine. When I enter this tape into another
> deck/camcorder the timecode reads 0:00:00:00 all the time, so the
> timecode which seems to be on the tape on the trv900 is not there
> when played back on other equipment. When I use the PC10 camera as
> recorder I do not have the same problem, the timecode "sticks" with
> the tape regardless of playback equipment.
>
> hc gilje

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:02:12 +0100
From: Robert Rouveroy [rouveroy@planet.nl]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: TV on aircraft
message-ID:
>At 5:03 PM -0800 1/24/01, Jim Kelley wrote:
>and Uncle Sam has unlimited air time for up to 20,000 users (now
>just where they're going to be able to get 20,000 Iridium phones is
>anybody's guess.)
============
Not mine. Bet you 100:1 it is for Government, Military, CIA, FBI and
a few others. BTW, I read somewhere that it bypasses Echelon. Smart,
huh?
--
Robert Rouveroy csc
The Hague, Holland

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:24:25 -0500
From: "Gary Bettan, The Electronic Mailbox" [videoguy@concentric.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Vendors throw suppoprt behind Prem6
message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010125080611.00cd65c0@pop3.concentric.net>
>At 09:29 PM 1/24/01 -0600, you wrote:
>>Is Matrox's RT-2000 Premiere 6 ready, or will new drivers be necessary
>>for it also?
Actually Matrox is at the head of the class on this one. The MVT2 drivers
are the P6 drivers. Even cooler, if you have a fully functioning RT2000
system under P5.1, you do not need to uninstall and/or reinstall a thing.
You simply install P6 in a new directory, then copy over the following
files found in this announcement on the Matrox RT2000 support board
http://forum.matrox.com/rt2000/Forum12/HTML/000034.html
Even more good news for RT2000 users!!! The Win2k drivers are finally going
into public beta. Matrox expects the drivers to be available for download
the first or second week of Feb!! here is the official announcement
http://forum.matrox.com/rt2000/Forum12/HTML/000035.html
For those of you interested in more info about the RT2000, I've got my new
RT2000 MegaPack review posted on our website
http://www.videoguys.com/rt2000review.html
Gary
The Electronic Mailbox 800 323-2325
We Are The Desk Top Video Editing & Production Experts
The Desk Top Video Handbook On Line http://www.videoguys.com
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:30:29 -0500
From: delaluz@mindspring.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: TRV900 for sale
message-ID: www.springmail.com>
I have a used TRV900 with an extended warantee for sale. EMAIL me at [delaluz@mindspring.com] for details.
Bob A.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:33:36 +0100
From: Robert Rouveroy [rouveroy@planet.nl]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Interesting times?
message-ID:
There's a new factor rearing its head concerning film, storage, hdtv
and other concerns.
A few days ago, a lady physicist called Lene Hau of Harvard announced
she managed to stop light in a sodium compound. Sounds rather
esoteric BUT, if light, normally going at 300.000 kilometers a second
is stopped, it follows that it also can be modulated. Speculating,
she mentioned quantum computers, CD's with TerraTerrabytes capacity,
video cameras with sheer unlimited recording parameters, making
continuous holographic display and transmission possible. There were
many more speculations by other scientists but the above are of
specific interests to us.
She hesitated calling it a miracle but implied that it (might) bypass
the notion that the speed of light is a unchangeable standard. Roll
over, Albert.
Imagine, DV cam with chips recording 100.000 lines...
We live in interesting times.
--
Robert Rouveroy csc
The Hague, Holland

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:59:12 -0500
From: "Phil Pratt" [ppratt@triad.rr.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: Vendors throw suppoprt behind Prem6
message-ID: <007a01c086d7$02a60820$23d91a42@triad.rr.com>
Charles F. McConathy wrote:
>Premiere 6.0 is 1000% better than any version Adobe has produced. We have
entered into an OEM agreement to bundle Premiere on the Mac.<
Charles,
Do you know yet whether Prem 6 will be supported by your RT Mac card when
it's released? BTW when will it?

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 07:53:35 -0600
From: Danny Grizzle [danny@mogulhost.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: SONY Service
message-ID: [B6958BFF.C8BF%danny@mogulhost.com]
on 1/24/01 10:28 PM, Rik Albury at Rik.Albury@dalsemi.com wrote:
> This is to make known my recent experience with getting warranty
> service on my Sony TRV900, purchased from B&H on 28-Nov-2K.
Sony has just consolidated all service centers into a single national
location, eliminating the regional service centers such as the one in
Dallas. In the process, they lost a lot of highly experienced people. You
just can't make 40 and 50 year old guys with teen agers, college kids, and
aging parents, to rip up roots, relocated across country, and start a new
mortgage. The consequence of this is Sony will have a degree of kaos in
their service department, with the quality of service probably most impaired
concerning older equipment - which younger techs may have never seen before.
I guess this was a "business decision" -- but business decisions imply huge
amounts of calculated risk. We'll see if Sony comes up a winner on this one.
Danny Grizzle

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:11:06 -0600
From: "Scott Sanders" [deltic@mediaone.net]
To: "DV" [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: FCP and QT5, Radius, and others???
message-ID:
How well does FCP handle other DV codecs besides the one that comes with
QT4? I have heard that the DV codec in QT4 really sucks. I've also heard
from Adam Wilt that Canopus and Matrox produce the best Codecs. From what
I've seen Radius is the best codec out on the Mac but are there any
comparison's to QT5's codec? How well does the Radius Codec work in FCP?
Thanks,
Scott

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:34:25
From: "Howard Spivack" [geophyrd@hotmail.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Offensive advertising. An ode to Robert.
message-ID:
Mark,
I always try to make sense...its the only way to dollars.
But I am willing to help defray costs too here. This list has been
invaluable to me, but it will be even more so in coming months. Where to
send?
>From: "Marc C. Hood, EdD" [mhood@adent.com>
]Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>Subject: Re: Offensive advertising. An ode to Robert.
>Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:55:45 -0600
>
>Hi Howard,
>
>That's the spirit. Will your contribution be in dollars or sense (or both
>;-) Any and all is greatly appreciated.
>
>mhood, CIC-CFRO
>
>Howard Spivack wrote:
>
> > I'd be willing to contribute. This list gives me informaiton that is
>both
> > interesting and valuable. Thats rare.
>
>
>------(cut off when replying)-------------------------------
>All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
>http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
>
>This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
>http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com and the contributions of
>its members. To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:39:12 -0600
From: Rik Albury [Rik.Albury@dalsemi.com]
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'" [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: SONY Service
message-ID:
Danny Grizzle wrote, in part:
>Sony has just consolidated all service centers into a single national
>location, eliminating the regional service centers such as the one in
>Dallas.
Well, someone forgot to tell the guys in Dallas. They're doing a
booming business.
-Rik. (CIC - Not yet paid)

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:40:01
From: "Howard Spivack" [geophyrd@hotmail.com]
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: Canon XL1 EOS Adapter VL
message-ID:
Does anyone use the above adaptor for XL1? Could you tell how worthwhile it
is, how you use it, ease or difficulty, etc?
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:51:42 -0500
From: "Christopher Van Nest" [cvannest@usa.net]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: wireless video transmission for DV?
message-ID:
BTW, here's another link for some ideas:
http://www.supercircuits.com/
(click on "Wireless Video")
Probably not "broadcast quality," but maybe suitable for some =
applications (see previous Blair Witch mention).
-Christopher
____________________________
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy Quimpo [mailto:randy_quimpo@ltpi.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 10:08 PM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Re: wireless video transmission for DV?
> > > I think this discussion is starting to drift into the realm of
> impracticality. I'm going with a cable.
> > Randy Quimpo
> > ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yves Casavant" [ycasavan@abacom.com>
] To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org>
] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 10:22 AM
> Subject: Re: wireless video transmission for DV?
> > > >
> >
> > Robert Rouveroy a =E9crit :
> >
> > >
> > > Many planes have a phone on board ($5.- a minute) that keeps track =
of
> > > the satellite position while moving at 600 miles/hour. Yet live TV =
is
> > > not (yet) possible on a plane, not even on Airforce One (TIME, =
2000
> > > ?).
> > >
> >
> > I don't know about the speed, but it can be done on a boat or a =
moving
> vehicule.
> > http://www.motosat.com/motion.htm
> >
> > Yves Casavant
> > ycasavan@abacom.com

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:49:26 -0500
From: James Green [jlg@pipeline.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: For A New But-Can't-Be-Better DV-L
message-ID: [3A703C80.CA62B0A3@pipeline.com]
Count me in ro help with what we need to do to do what we need to do!
It would be embarrassingly mawkish to say how grateful I am for this
list and the people on it! Let's just say very!
Someone please let me know where I should send, etc.
Jim Green

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:43:27 -0400
From: "Hamel, Stephane (WHSCC)" [HamelS@whscc.nb.ca]
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'" [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: DVD Studio pro, what will be the PC equivalent??
message-ID:
Thanks Dallas for the information.
I am sure that a lot of folks benefited from it.
Stephan
-----Original Message-----
From: Dallas Kitchen [mailto:dallas@performancedigital.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 12:43 PM
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: FW: DVD Studio pro, what will be the PC equivalent??
Stephane, there are going to be a lot more issues to deal with in DVD
encoding and authoring than most people think. Also, I can add a bit to
your statements.
Let me start with the Pioneer drive you mentioned. The model is going to be
the "103", but it's not SCSI-2. It's an ATA/IDE drive. It will use a
different DVD-R media that is being designated as "general" media. This
media will not work in the Pioneer "101" or "201" burners used by
professional authoring houses. The media used in the "101" and "201"
burners is being designated as "authoring" media and will not work in the
new "103" drive. However, both "general" and "authoring" media are supposed
to be compatible in both set-top and ROM players. We'll see though, since
you may know that current 4.7gb DVD-R media is somewhat problematic on
playback in some ROM drives and most first generation set-top players.
During the first quarter 2001 it's only shipping in Apple and Compaq
systems. Sometime second quarter the drive will ship as an OEM unit with a
suggest MSRP of $1000.00, but I suspect it will be a bit lower and the price
will start coming down week-by-week. No word on pricing for the "general"
media yet.
Sonic's DVD-It comes in three levels, you forgot the LE edition at $199.
The LE or Light Edition will be bundled in the Compaq systems that are about
to ship with the Pioneer 103 drive. You mentioned that the PE or Pro
Edition allows VBR (Variable Vit Rate) encoding. Don't confuse encoding
with "transcoding" since what you get in any of these is "transcoding".
Transcoding means you take your existing AVI or MOV file and transcode, or
convert might be a better word, into MPEG-2. The PE version also supports
Dolby Digital AC-3 stereo audio but again, you transcode your WAV files into
AC-3. Lastly, the funny thing here is that Sonic Solutions high-end DVD
systems are only Mac based, yet DVD-It is a Win98 or NT only product. Last
rumor I heard is that we'll see a Mac DVD-It version this year. As for the
Creator or Fusion systems (we have both), remember it's an all-in-one deal
with authoring software and encoding hardware.
Let's don't forget about Spruce Technologies. Their Maestro and Conductor
high-end systems are right there with Sonic for quality. Their authoring
software is a easier for newbie's to DVD authoring, but you don't get to
learn the boring but sometimes important rules of the DVD-specification.
They also have a product called Virtuoso which is a software only authoring
package that uses the same interface as their high-end systems, but only
allows a limited amount of clips to be used. Virtuoso sells for about $1500
but this is another product that you can't hardly find any info about on
Spruce's web site. Lastly, they have came out with a low-end product called
Spruce-Up for $129 but I haven't seen it but I would guess it compares with
DVD-It on some level.
The Minerva product you mentioned is Impressionist. It allows some great
functionality between it's interface and Photoshop so that you can get your
graphic assets whipped up and imported quicker. As a stand-alone product
it's very expensive with the last price I saw at $8k, but I believe it was
being bundled with either one of the Matrox or Pinnacle products which
retailed at a bit over $2k, so that's a steal. Minerva had some pricey, but
very good high-end DVD systems and it's too bad they got out of that game
but they saw this lower end market coming and didn't want to deal with that
when they had better things ahead and MPEG-2 Streaming and Digital TV.
Unfortunately you can't find any info about the product on their web site.
Daikin Scenarist as you said was the first WinNT authoring package out and
also still on Silicon Graphics where they started. Great authoring packages
and used by many Hollywood post houses for cranking out Hollywood DVD
titles. Very pricey though at about $10k, $20k and $30k for the three
levels of Scenarist they sell. Very powerful but also bigger learning curve
and pretty much for pro use only. However they also have a lower end
prosumer product called ReelDVD for about $1k and a neat little software
plug-in to allow PowerPoint to use DVD video for $40.00.
Beyond that, there are a couple more pro and prosumer authoring and encoding
solutions out there for DVD. DVD is finally about to become available at
the prosumer level and while it bodes fiercer competition for us in the pro
ranks, I think it will bring about a wonderful level of creativity and new
titles for those prosumers/consumers who can take advantage of the products
out there and the products that are coming.
In response to what's coming in the prosumer and consumer levels, we've even
started a lower priced service to crank out Wedding Videos onto DVD. We can
only offer this by automating some of the front and back ends but it's going
to allow us to use our high-end DVD systems to give prosumers and
videographers a great level of quality for the Wedding videos.
Feel free to respond on or off the list with any questions or comments.
Dallas Kitchen
Director of Services
Performance Digital Laboratories
dallas@performancedigital.com
--------------------
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 04:18:11 -0500
From: "Dany Coryet" [dcsos@hotmail.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: FW: DVD Studio pro, what will be the PC equivalent??
Message-ID:
you missed it so im repost for you
>From: "Hamel, Stephane (WHSCC)" [HamelS@whscc.nb.ca>
]Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>To: "DV-L (E-mail)" [DV-L@DVCentral.org>
]Subject: FW: DVD Studio pro, what will be the PC equivalent??
>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:46:23 -0400
>
>What's wrong here?
>
>No takers? ;-)
The Windows Platform is blessed with many authoring programs for DVD
Three of the ones to my knowledge capable of interfacing (eg burning discs)
with the PIONEER coming in MARCH
DVD-it
Two Versions
Standard US $499.00- offers fixed bitrate like iDVD
Pro- Variable bitrate comptession $999.00
Minerva
software (expensive) for authoring Variable bitrate discs)
and
Daikin Scenerist
(1st Windows Package out I believe)
and on the MAC, you can also use
SONIC DVD CREATOR & FUSION packages for full authoring
THE WIN Drive will be SCSI-2 (INT and EXT)

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:41:44 -0500
From: "Steven E. Fick" [sfick@worldnet.att.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Canon XL1 EOS Adapter VL
message-ID: [3A703B28.200543A1@worldnet.att.net]
Howard Spivack wrote:
> Does anyone use the above adaptor for XL1? Could you tell how worthwhile it
> is, how you use it, ease or difficulty, etc?
It works. One potential prob to consider: focal length. CCD and 35mm film are very different. A relatively wide angle 35mm slr lens will still be telephoto on the XL-1.
If high quality telephoto is what you want, then it works just fine.
--Steven

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 06:45:21 -0800
From: "William C. Domb" [billdomb@cyberg8t.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: Interesting times?
message-ID: <000201c086de$59e6e620$2650a183@oemcomputer>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Rouveroy" [rouveroy@planet.nl]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 5:33 AM
Subject: Interesting times?
> There's a new factor rearing its head concerning film, storage, hdtv
> and other concerns.
>
> A few days ago, a lady physicist called Lene Hau of Harvard announced
> she managed to stop light in a sodium compound. Sounds rather
> esoteric BUT, if light, normally going at 300.000 kilometers a second
> is stopped, it follows that it also can be modulated.
Remembering the story of Slow Glass (Ray Bradbury?), large chunks of
material that you put out someplace very beautiful to soak up a scene for a
couple years. After a while you take them inside and the light and scene
keep coming out for years so you can be looking at Mt. Everest while in your
dank basement.
regards
bill domb
upland ca

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:00:15 +0100
From: Robert Rouveroy [rouveroy@planet.nl]
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Cc: Cedric Tineo [cedric@tineo.com]
Subject: Re: JAPANese RELEASE FORMS
message-ID:
At 11:33 AM +0100 1/25/01, Cedric Tineo wrote:
>My question was, do we have to be very strict in europe about having every
>person we interview, sign a release form ? Because in the us it seems that
>they have to take a lot of precautions about this...
===============
The principals should sign such a release. Those are the ones who
give their opinions or accusations or whatever: this is to free you
from a hassle. They could demand to have this or that stricken from
your film, that is very expensive as you know.
People in the background do not have to sign if they are on "The
Queen's Highway", that is outside on a common street or even inside,
restaurant, bar, IF THE OWNER has given you permission. You still
have to (inside, not outside) give warning so that that adulterous
couple can exit.
All in all, you play it by ear because such release forms can scare
off good subjects. They read this and clam up. It is often better to
conduct the interview, THEN give them the release to sign. By that
time they will or might have forgotten they have (maybe) said some
damaging observation. In all cases it is cheaper to destroy the tape
then to appear in court.
Forget about the US. They litigate at the drop of a hat. European
courts are far more sensible on that point. Shakespeare had
indubitably the US in mind (that was not formed yet) when he
exclaimed: "First, let's kill all the lawyers".
--
Robert Rouveroy csc
The Hague, Holland

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:01:54 -0500
From: John Luna [jlcinc@home.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: FCP and QT5, Radius, and others???
message-ID:
>How well does FCP handle other DV codecs besides the one that comes with
>QT4? I have heard that the DV codec in QT4 really sucks. I've also heard
>from Adam Wilt that Canopus and Matrox produce the best Codecs. From what
>I've seen Radius is the best codec out on the Mac but are there any
>comparison's to QT5's codec? How well does the Radius Codec work in FCP?
>
Read Adam Whilt's article @http://www.2-pop.com/articles/2000-10-26.html
Radius will not work with FCP.
John

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 07:03:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Robert Smith [rtsmith74@excite.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Firewire HD and device compatibility
message-ID: <8729980.980434993409.JavaMail.imail@digger.excite.com>
What is the deal with firewire HD's and camera compatibility?
I'm using mac G3 & G4 (Final Cut Pro) with sony DV cameras. What are the
issues with capturing from camera thru 1394 and at the same time writing to
the HD via 1394. I use scsi right now and if possible I would like to come
up with an alternate external solution. Please advise. RTS
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:07:16 +0100
From: Robert Rouveroy [rouveroy@planet.nl]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Offensive advertising. An ode to Robert.
message-ID:
At 7:16 AM -0500 1/25/01, Keith wrote:
>It never ceases to amaze me what offends some people. Bigoted and
>insensitive statements are offensive. Child pornography is offensive. My
>morning breath is offensive. Blinking and animated .gif web ads are highly
>annoying. But providing links to someone's business, which do not get in the
>way of the content of the message, is neither offensive nor annoying.
==========
You could not have read my letter with care. I don't find advertising
offensive: I just wanted it neatly at the bottom without gushy
acknowledgements.
I have no opinion on the offensiveness of your breath. I don't wish
to come too close to find out. It might be as sweet as a baby's. Or
kill at 20 paces. Don't tell me which, please? ;^)
--
Robert Rouveroy csc
The Hague, Holland

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:09:11 -0600
From: Danny Grizzle [danny@mogulhost.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: SONY Service
message-ID: [B6959DB7.C8DA%danny@mogulhost.com]
on 1/25/01 8:39 AM, Rik Albury at Rik.Albury@dalsemi.com wrote:
> Danny Grizzle wrote, in part:
>
>> Sony has just consolidated all service centers into a single national
>> location, eliminating the regional service centers such as the one in
>> Dallas.
>
> Well, someone forgot to tell the guys in Dallas. They're doing a
> booming business.
>
> -Rik. (CIC - Not yet paid)
That's not what I heard. When I called last, the only ones left were
long-timers holding on to vest every last penny of retirement. Everyone else
had jumped ship. From what I understand, all the Sony techs were seeking to
negotiate a deal to move their group as a whole to a third-party
distributor, so maybe you are dealing with the same bunch of guys although
they may no longer be Sony employees.
Danny Grizzle

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:31:17 -0600
From: Rune Hansen [rune@styx.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Interesting times?
message-ID: <20010125103116.J19886@styx.net>
> A few days ago, a lady physicist called Lene Hau of Harvard announced
> she managed to stop light in a sodium compound. Sounds rather
> esoteric BUT, if light, normally going at 300.000 kilometers a second
> is stopped, it follows that it also can be modulated. Speculating,
> she mentioned quantum computers, CD's with TerraTerrabytes capacity,
> video cameras with sheer unlimited recording parameters, making
> continuous holographic display and transmission possible. There were
> many more speculations by other scientists but the above are of
> specific interests to us. She hesitated calling it a miracle but
> implied that it (might) bypass the notion that the speed of light is
> a unchangeable standard. Roll over, Albert.
Well, this is nothing new. Ms Hau announced slowing light down to 38mpH
about two years ago, if I am not mistaken. The implications are quite
tremendous, though.
There's a pretty good introduction to their work at NY Times, and you
don't even need a registration to read it:
http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/featured_articles/990330tuesday.html
:P
--
Rune Hansen Simplemente
E-mail: rune@simplemente.net http://www.simplemente.net/
Kansas 31, #5 Tel: +52 5 543 7188
Col. Napoles, CP 03810, Mexico D.F.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:30:31 +0100
From: Robert Rouveroy [rouveroy@planet.nl]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Robert Rouveroy, CIC-OBM.
message-ID:
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Lassen sie sich helfen anlass mit Sand bestreuen und den Schein
wahren. You must be very tired organizing this whole shebang. I read
faithfully these 100+ messages every day and yes, I'm struck often
with the puberal discussions so I fully understand your anger and
explosions. I was the president of the CSC for 8 years and a more
unruly group of people you cannot imagine. I survived more or less.
I'm sure you will too if you allow and forgive even me, at 73, my
quaint (weird?) sense of humor.
As for contributing to the DV-L, because you were so friendly to
allow me to pay in Belgian francs (wrong currency) I would like to
propose I CC you with money from my country of origin, Indonesia.
So, you may look forward to 100 Roepiah, about US$ 0, 0003.1 (;^),
;^), ;^), ;^), ;^), ;^) Hey, this is NOT the start of a currency
flame!
But seriously, I'm a pensioner, retired so you might be satisfied
with Canadian$$ 100.-by Mastercard.
Where and how do I send it?
Yours truly,
CIC-OBM
--
Robert Rouveroy csc
The Hague, Holland
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:29:21 -0700
From: "Kenneth S. Bell" [bellk@dvline.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: Vendors throw suppoprt behind Prem6
message-ID:
Some clarification:
Pinnacle has issued "beta" drivers that work with P6. Customers are free =
to
download and install these drivers. Adobe is in the process of
certification.
Matrox issued MVT2.0 in Dec. which is P6 friendly. Customers are free to
download and install these drivers. It is presumed that a new version is
coming that will also include support for Win2k. Adobe is in the process =
of
certification.
Canopus has drivers at Adobe for certification. Currently, there are no
drivers available for download and install.
No OEM can bundle P6 until Adobe certifies their driver sets. Currently,
there is no schedule as to when each vendor will earn their stripes. Also=
,
any problems discovered by Adobe could require a driver update. And of
course, bugs discovered by users could also cause a driver update.
Thanks,
Ken Bell
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bertel Schmitt [mailto:bschmitt@panix.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 7:22 PM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Vendors throw suppoprt behind Prem6
>
>
> As we all know, the new Premiere 6 works out of the box with generic OH=
CI
> compatible IEEE-1394 cards. Other products still need drivers.
> Old drivers
> may or may not work. But various vendors have released, or announced th=
e
> release of new, improved and optimized drivers to work with Premiere 6.
> This short article attempts to summarize the most recent and
> important ones:
>
> Pinnacle Systems, Inc. announced the immediate availability of
> drivers for
> its award winning DV200, DV500 and DC1000/2000 products, optimized for
> Adobe=92s new Adobe=AE Premiere=AE 6.0 software.
>
> Matrox Video Products Group announced that its Matrox DigiSuite
> and Matrox
> RT2000 realtime video editing platforms will begin shipping with the ne=
w
> Adobe=AE Premiere=AE 6.0 software in January. Customers who purchase an=
y
> DigiSuite or RT2000 product bundled with Premiere 5.1 between
> November 11,
> 2000 and April 1, 2001 are eligible for a free upgrade to Premiere 6.0
> (plus shipping and handling). Customers who purchased their DigiSuite o=
r
> RT2000 product prior to November 11, 2000 will be able to order Adobe
> Premiere 6.0 at the upgrade price.
>
> Canopus=AE Corporation announced plans to bundle Adobe=AE Premiere=AE 6=
.0
> software with its family of award-winning DV NLE solutions, DVRexRT=99,
> DVRexRT Professional, DVStorm=99 and DVRaptor=99. The company also anno=
unced
> the Canopus Video Out Plug-in for After Effects 4.1. Canopus
> expects its DV
> NLE customers will benefit from the advanced Web features found in Adob=
e
> Premiere 6.0, including one-step export to all leading Web video format=
s
> and Web markers. Canopus users will also benefit from the
> professional-level audio mixer, Automate to Timeline, and numerous
> interface refinements and customization features.
>
> For customers who purchased a Canopus DV NLE solution bundled with Adob=
e
> Premiere 5.1 after November 11, 2000, Canopus is offering an upgrade to
> Premiere 6.0 for just $19.99.
>
> Developed to give DVRexRT, DVRexRT Professional and DVStorm users
> enhanced
> preview capabilities within Adobe After Effects 4.1, the Canopus
> Video Out
> Plug-in for After Effects speeds up video effects production by allowin=
g
> editors to preview their effects directly on an NTSC/PAL monitor as the=
y
> work. The Canopus Video Out Plug-in for After Effects will be
> available in
> January 2001 for a suggested retail price of $249.00.
>
> All updates are available at the respective vendors.
>
> If you have news of any other updates, let us know.
>
>
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:35:47 -0600
From: "Marc C. Hood, EdD" [mhood@adent.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Offensive advertising. An ode to Robert.
message-ID: [3A7047D2.A4A333BE@adent.com]
Wise beyond your years Howard. Thank you. Alexei has created a DV-L contribution site (URL at the bottom of this and every post) that will make contributing a walk in the park for you.
Please let me know when you have made your donation so that we can bestow your letters upon you publicly. I'll also attempt to misspell your name at that time (a great rite of passage for any in the CIC). I see you come equipped with the "hang" of
misspelling names, i.e., mine. You do me honor :-)
mhood, CIC-CFRO
Howard Spivack wrote:
> Mark,
>
> I always try to make sense...its the only way to dollars.
>
> But I am willing to help defray costs too here. This list has been
> invaluable to me, but it will be even more so in coming months. Where to
> send?
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:43:43 -0600
From: "Marc C. Hood, EdD" [mhood@adent.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Robert Rouveroy, CIC-OBM.
message-ID: [3A7049AF.B02AD6F7@adent.com]
Forgive you? You are a blessing, and your courage has been publicly
noted by BS himself. That you would add any type of $$$ to your
honorary letters is generosity beyond expectation.
Seek ye the URL at the bottom of this, and every, post and find the Web
page Alexei has prepared for you and any contributor.
Thank you Roburt, CIC-OBM
mhood, CIC-CFRO
Robert Rouveroy wrote:
> But seriously, I'm a pensioner, retired so you might be satisfied with
> Canadian$$ 100.-by Mastercard.Where and how do I send it?Yours
> truly,CIC-OBM--
> Robert Rouveroy csc
> The Hague, Holland

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:43:09 CST
From: "Bruce A. Johnson ORH 2-8503" [johnsonb@wpt.org]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: Wireless TV
message-ID: [342A21910DC@vilas.uwex.edu]
Rik wrote:
>But I'll bet you'd still have trouble getting a picture back from a
handheld wireless camera roaming around in the cabin of that
same airplane.<
Depends on how much money you are willing to throw at the
problem (and let's forget the airplane; all that aluminum might
create a bit of a multipath issue. )
There are a few companies out there that sell wireless camera
transmitters, generally pointed at the needs of ENG crews that
have to get a shot that's farther than a practical cable run from their
truck. I thought Telex was one of them, but their website wasn't
too forthcoming.
Needless to say...not cheap.
OTOH, I use a tiny video transmitter I got from SuperCircuits to
send video to a handheld monitor on selected shoots. The
producer gets to "look over my shoulder" on a LCD TV tuned just
below Ch14, and can see time code to actually do logging in the
field. A MAJOR time saver, one clients are happy to pay for.
The TX cost, if memory serves, about $125. Smaller than the 9v
battery that powers it. A little Velcro sticks it to the wireless
mount on my XL1.
Bruce A. Johnson, CIC
Wisconsin Public Television Digital Innovations Unit
ICQ# 26415869

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:42:37 -0600
From: Kirk Lohse [klohse@tc.cc.tx.us]
To: DV List [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Hmmm=?ISO-8859-1?B?ig==?=
message-ID: [B695A58C.6D60%klohse@tc.cc.tx.us]
Just hooked up my new SoundSticks to a Power Mac G4/500. However when I go
into the Mac's sound control panel, I don't see (and as a result don't have
any software control over) the subwoofer, like I do with my iSub.
A friend of mine has a G4 dual 500 and his control panel has little pictures
of the soundsticks and subwoofer with slide controls for each!
what gives?
Kirk Lohse
Texarkana College

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:50:53 -0600
From: "Marc C. Hood, EdD" [mhood@adent.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: For A New But-Can't-Be-Better DV-L
message-ID: [3A704B5D.EE393F1B@adent.com]
Thank you Gym (that was almost too easy ;-) Check the URL at the bottom of the post and you will find the Web page Alexei wrote for DV-L contributions. Your money will be painlessly extracted from your pockets there.
mhood, CIC-CFRO
James Green wrote:
> Count me in ro help with what we need to do to do what we need to do!
>
> It would be embarrassingly mawkish to say how grateful I am for this
> list and the people on it! Let's just say very!
>
> Someone please let me know where I should send, etc.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:53:30 -0600
From: Rik Albury [Rik.Albury@dalsemi.com]
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'" [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: SONY Service
message-ID:
Danny Grizzle insisted:
>so maybe you are dealing with the same bunch of guys although
>they may no longer be Sony employees.
I called Sony's national number last Friday, and they sent me
to the Dallas Regional Service Center on Campbell Road. I left
my TRV900 there that same day, and picked it up day before
yesterday, repaired under Sony's warranty, no charge. (2-day
turnaround. Gotta have a good stock of Sony parts.) The Sony
name was on the front of the building in 8-foot tall letters.
Sony merchandise and paraphernalia were all over the showroom.
The guy who helped me was a kid. Other people were behind the
counter, none exceeding early middle age. A woman called me
to say my camera was ready. Maybe they did all of what you're
talking about yesterday?
-Rik. (CIC to be)

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:01:39 CST
From: "Bruce A. Johnson ORH 2-8503" [johnsonb@wpt.org]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org], zap@home.nl
Subject: Re: TV on aircraft
message-ID: [342F1295AB3@vilas.uwex.edu]
Martin Heffels, THANK YOU.
You took what I had read as a press release and fleshed it out with
a few URLs, in a VERY short time.
This is EXACTLY why this list is easily worth $100.
Bruce A. Johnson, CIC
Wisconsin Public Television Digital Innovations Unit
ICQ# 26415869

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:02:59 -0600
From: "Steve Gregory" [pyrotecnico@home.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: SONY Service
message-ID: <016e01c086e8$4a99c520$24e70e39@whq.ual.com>
May not to be the same issue, but has anyone really tried to USE the Sony
WEB site? It is the most difficult to nnavigate site for PROs I've ever
seen. You just can't use Search and expect to find what you are looking
for. ANYONE have some 'backdoor' URLs that get you to the higher end
equipment and info?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Danny Grizzle" [danny@mogulhost.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: SONY Service
> on 1/25/01 8:39 AM, Rik Albury at Rik.Albury@dalsemi.com wrote:
>
> > Danny Grizzle wrote, in part:
> >
> >> Sony has just consolidated all service centers into a single national
> >> location, eliminating the regional service centers such as the one in
> >> Dallas.
> >
> > Well, someone forgot to tell the guys in Dallas. They're doing a
> > booming business.
> >
> > -Rik. (CIC - Not yet paid)
>
> That's not what I heard. When I called last, the only ones left were
> long-timers holding on to vest every last penny of retirement. Everyone
else
> had jumped ship. From what I understand, all the Sony techs were seeking
to
> negotiate a deal to move their group as a whole to a third-party
> distributor, so maybe you are dealing with the same bunch of guys although
> they may no longer be Sony employees.
>
> Danny Grizzle
>
>
> ------(cut off when replying)-------------------------------
> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
>
> This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members. To
contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:08:22 +0100
From: Robert Rouveroy [rouveroy@planet.nl]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Robert Rouveroy, CIC-OBM.
message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
At 9:43 AM -0600 1/25/01, Marc C. Hood, EdD wrote:
>Seek ye the URL at the bottom of this, and every, post and find the Web
>page Alexei has prepared for you and any contributor.
====================
Donate to DV-L via a secure server! To make your contribution,
simply dial the quantity! For example: Quantity 100 means... you
contribute $100. Simply put 100 in the "quantity" box, fill out the
information and click on "Add". The order will be securely processed
by Computervice, but the money will go to the support of DV-L and DV
Central.
Any amounts are welcome and will be gratefully accepted!
All major credit cards, US$ checks and money orders are accepted.
This system will generate an automatic receipt for you to print out.
Thank you!
===================
Sound good, but my Explorer browser does not show a "quantity" box.
Must be blind.
--
Robert Rouveroy csc
The Hague, Holland
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:10:19 -0600
From: Rik Albury [Rik.Albury@dalsemi.com]
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'" [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: Wireless TV
message-ID:
Bruce wrote, in part:
>and let's forget the airplane; all that aluminum might
>create a bit of a multipath issue. )
Indeed! Multipath is probably the biggest problem I've had with
trying to do wireless video - in or out of airplanes.
>...SuperCircuits ... LCD TV tuned just below Ch14 ... about $125
>... Smaller than the 9v battery that powers it.
Sounds like the 430 MHz transmitter I used on the RC model blimp.
That's a Part 97 frequency and you're probably running 20 to 30
milliwatts. I hope you have a Ham license, and that you weren't
doing anything pecuniary.
Did you get any video from that rig that you would be willing to
use on the air?
-Rik. (CIC to be)

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:07:11 -0600
From: "Mike SKURAS" [Mike_Skuras@chi.leoburnett.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org, pyrotecnico@home.com
Subject: Re: SONY Service
message-ID: [sa6ffadd.051@chi.leoburnett.com]
their site is second only to kozmo.com in terms of "slowness".

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:13:23 -0600
From: "Marc C. Hood, EdD" [mhood@adent.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Selfish desires & the evils of That Acronym
message-ID: [3A7050A2.8853AB41@adent.com]
It's a really long story, but the condensed version goes: A few of us were squabbling over the use of "That Dreaded Acronym" in posts and were calling for a server upgrade that would accommodate many flavors of posting. Last Saturday night Bertel
posted that he was not opposed to contributions to help pay for some of this (you know how he gets grumpy sometimes ;-) and I said okey dokey put me down for $100US and I challenged 100 other subscribers to match my donation. It just sort of erupted
from there and we are now taking lots of donations at the URL at the bottom of this post. Once you meet my challenge, you are inducted into the Coveted Inner Circle (CIC) and may proudly display your letters in your sig (this and other prizes like tee
shirts with the DeVi-L logo). Check your trash bin if you want the whole story.
How about it Keith...are you CIC material?
mhood, CIC-CFRO
Keith wrote:
> Haven't been paying attention here (100+ posts / day provide plenty of
> motivation to delete most of them), but what's all this talk about donations
> are fund-raising? And what does "DeVi-L" have to do with it?

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:19:07 -0500
From: "Christopher Van Nest" [cvannest@usa.net]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: Robert Rouveroy, CIC-OBM.
message-ID:
Wow, the things you find out about people! Robert, thanks for sharing =
some of your details. One of the interesting things about lists like =
this is the different backgrounds, histories, and responsibilities from =
its contributors/members. It's like when you speak with someone of the =
phone and build up this idea of what you imagine them to look and act =
like, and then discover that they're similar or, more likely, that =
they're very different than you imagined.
But back to on-topic-- maybe the new DV-L website can give us the option =
of putting a small photo and some background information of the members? =
You know, so people don't really think I'm a busty, single, 26 year old =
blond. ;-) But seriously, it might also be useful to include what =
systems we're all using for comparison and troubleshooting, something =
along the lines of what Jan (?) started on Canopus' Raptor list. =
Definitely not to start platform or application wars, but just as a way =
to compare notes. Sorry, BS & Alexei, not to give you more to do! Just thought I'd mention =
it while everything is still in the developmental stage.
-Christopher, CIC
____________________________
Host/Producer FREESPORT-TV
http://www.freesport-tv.com/=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Rouveroy [mailto:rouveroy@planet.nl]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 10:31 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Robert Rouveroy, CIC-OBM.
Lassen sie sich helfen anlass mit Sand bestreuen und den Schein wahren. =
You must be very tired organizing this whole shebang. I read faithfully =
these 100+ messages every day and yes, I'm struck often with the puberal =
discussions so I fully understand your anger and explosions. I was the =
president of the CSC for 8 years and a more unruly group of people you =
cannot imagine. I survived more or less. I'm sure you will too if you =
allow and forgive even me, at 73, my quaint (weird?) sense of humor.
As for contributing to the DV-L, because you were so friendly to allow =
me to pay in Belgian francs (wrong currency) I would like to propose I =
CC you with money from my country of origin, Indonesia. So, you may look =
forward to 100 Roepiah, about US$ 0, 0003.1 (;^), ;^), ;^), ;^), ;^), =
;^) Hey, this is NOT the start of a currency flame!
But seriously, I'm a pensioner, retired so you might be satisfied with =
Canadian$$ 100.-by Mastercard.
Where and how do I send it?
Yours truly,
CIC-OBM
-- Robert Rouveroy csc
The Hague, Holland

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:15:25 -0600
From: Danny Grizzle [danny@mogulhost.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: SONY Service
message-ID: [B695AD3D.C8F5%danny@mogulhost.com]
on 1/25/01 10:02 AM, Steve Gregory at pyrotecnico@home.com wrote:
>>> Well, someone forgot to tell the guys in Dallas. They're doing a
>>> booming business.
>>>
>>> -Rik. (CIC - Not yet paid)
Whoops... I was talking about Sony Broadcast. Just remembered that Sony has
a consumer service center in Dallas. I expect they are the ones who handle
DV cameras. Don't know what their status is, but it may well be true that it
is still going strong.
Danny Grizzle

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:17:19 -0600
From: Danny Grizzle [danny@mogulhost.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: SONY Service
message-ID: [B695ADAE.C8F6%danny@mogulhost.com]
on 1/25/01 9:53 AM, Rik Albury at Rik.Albury@dalsemi.com wrote:
> I called Sony's national number last Friday, and they sent me
> to the Dallas Regional Service Center on Campbell Road.
Exactly... this is Sony's consumer division. The Broadcast Service Center in
Las Colinas was history January 1.
Danny Grizzle

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:25:13 -0600
From: "Marc C. Hood, EdD" [mhood@adent.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Robert Rouveroy, CIC-OBM.
message-ID: [3A705369.D1A3DD1E@adent.com]
It worked fine for me...on Netscape. Maybe drop Alexei a line and ask
him what's up. My memory isn't what it used to be, but I think the
quantity box didn't appear until I had entered my cc # and info. Once I
got to the shopping cart, I was able to change quantity from 1 to 100.
Don't forget the N/A shipping designation.
mhood, CIC-CFRO
Robert Rouveroy wrote:
> Sound good, but my Explorer browser does not show a "quantity" box.
> Must be blind.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:40:40 -0700
From: Francois Camoin [fcamoin@home.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: New: News on http://www.dvcentral.org
Message-ID: [3A705707.3FCD072A@home.com]
Actually when I click on the news URL the robot instantly shuts off my
communication to the internet. Is this the first sign of the robotics revolution?
Francois
Bertel Schmitt wrote:
>
>
> Then a robot will pick it up and will magically move it to
> http://www.dvcentral.org/news.html . Currently, the robot's name is Alex,
> and we still haven't automated it yet, but you get the idea.
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:49:19 -0600
From: "Marc C. Hood, EdD" [mhood@adent.com]
To: "DV-L@dvcentral.org" [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Let's not gloss over that Starband thing.
message-ID: [3A70590F.E7ECC03D@adent.com]
Bertel mentioned Starband, so (living at a lake in Texas, miles from
nowhere) I did a little research. All I could find was:
1. Starband 500kps down, 150kps up. Available now $400 installation,
$70 month. http://www.starband.com/
2. WildBlue, 3.0Mbps down, 400Kbps up. Available early 2002.
http://www.wildblue.com/hot/index.htm
3. Teledesic (Gates and McGraw), faster than greased bug guts down,
almost that fast up. Available 2004 (but having problems lately).
http://www.teledesic.com/
Yes, I did see DirectPC, but only 2-way will really serve my needs. Did
I miss any? I hope Starband has a competitor or two out there, but I
couldn't find any.
mhood, CIC-CFRO

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:42:03 +0400
From: "david e. kahn" [tughollow@bigplanet.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: CES: the DV state of the consumer nation (long)
message-ID:
on 1/12/01 7:52 AM, jmerser@concentric.net at jmerser@concentric.net wrote:
>> Howdy from Texas,
>>
>> At their invitation, I was privileged to represent the
>> Canon USA Video Division in their booth at CES,
>> the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas
>> just a few days ago. The experience of working in
>> a camcorder manufacturer's booth afforded me an
>> opportunity to gauge the general public's perception
>> of digital video, and I thought y'all might find this
>> somewhat interesting.
>
>> Hope this gives you an impression of where the general
>> consumer public in the USA is with regard to DV.
>>
>> Chris Hurd
>
> Yo Dog,
>
> That's the consumer side. You would be SHOCKED
> at how many real TV guys there are who know
> little or NOTHING about DV. I mean NOTHING!
>
> OTOH, this week at The North American
> International Auto show (press week) in Detroit, I saw
> everything from XL1s with 3x lens to VX2K,
> JVC DV500 and BetaSX. (I was working there as 2nd audio
> guy for Toyota and Lexus booth). Those Betacam
> guys need a truck to move around their kits.
> The DV guys had it easy in comparison.
>
> Hard to believe that DV has been around for 6 years now.
>
> jmerser
>
>
> ------(cut off when replying)-------------------------------
> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
> http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
> --------------------------------------------------------------
HELLO: WAS MIKE ZORICH THEIR WITH YOU. HE IS A GREAT GUY AND HAS HELPED ME
A LOT. BEST TUGHOLLOW

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:06:34 -0800
From: "Fred Greissing" [singfred@cvhsa.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: Looking for work
message-ID:
Hi Evan
You mentioned craigslist. Can you give me more details?
Thanks
Fred
-----Original Message-----
From: Evan Donn [mailto:digitalindie@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 10:32 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Looking for work
> well. Does anyone know of an on-line job board I could post my
> resum� on? Thanks in advance.
craigslist is probably the best, a lot of listings, also try bavc.org, they
have a good job board. I think reeldirectory still has listings as well, but
they weren't updated too often. Check out digitalanarchy.com, it's the home
of a new (I think, new to me anyway) bay area motion graphics user group.
Evan
--
"Literate man is not only dumb and vague in the presence of film or photo,
but he intensifies his ineptness by a defensive arrogance and condescension
to "pop kulch" and "mass entertainment"
-Marshall McLuhan
------(cut off when replying)-------------------------------
All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members. To
contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:06:35 -0800
From: "Fred Greissing" [singfred@cvhsa.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: TRV900 timecode problems
message-ID:
Hi
It sounds to me that the timecode problem you are having is an alignment
error.
Try putting one of your TRV900 tapes into another TRV900 and see if you get
the same error.
I have a TRV900 and its tapes playbaack with timecode in everything I have
put them in.
Cheers Fred
-----Original Message-----
From: hc gilje [mailto:hc@nervousvision.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 2:23 AM
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: Re: TRV900 timecode problems
ok, let me rephrase my problem:
When I edit a sequence from finalcut to tape using the trv900, the
timecode seems fine. When I enter this tape into another
deck/camcorder the timecode reads 0:00:00:00 all the time, so the
timecode which seems to be on the tape on the trv900 is not there
when played back on other equipment. When I use the PC10 camera as
recorder I do not have the same problem, the timecode "sticks" with
the tape regardless of playback equipment.
hc gilje
>The timecode in the TRV-900, like most consumer / prosumer models, is not
>setable. When you insert a fresh tape it starts from zero regardless of
>whether you are recording from your computer or the camera section
.-. .-. http://www.nervousvision.com .-. .-.
------(cut off when replying)-------------------------------
All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
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http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members. To
contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:12:32 -0600
From: "Scott Sanders" [deltic@mediaone.net]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: FCP and QT5, Radius, and others???
message-ID: <000a01c086f2$0bb9fdc0$f30310ac@chissanders>
So then with FCP your limited to the DVsoft Codec that smears the chroma to
the left or the QT4 codec (currently stable) that produces a really noisey
signal for FCP production? What's the best way to do video on the mac then?
EditDV with the Radius codec?
Thanks,
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Luna" [jlcinc@home.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: FCP and QT5, Radius, and others???
> >How well does FCP handle other DV codecs besides the one that comes with
> >QT4? I have heard that the DV codec in QT4 really sucks. I've also
heard
> >from Adam Wilt that Canopus and Matrox produce the best Codecs. From
what
> >I've seen Radius is the best codec out on the Mac but are there any
> >comparison's to QT5's codec? How well does the Radius Codec work in FCP?
> >
>
> Read Adam Whilt's article @http://www.2-pop.com/articles/2000-10-26.html
> Radius will not work with FCP.
>
> John
>
>
> ------(cut off when replying)-------------------------------
> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
>
> This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members. To
contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:21:13 -0800
From: "Dick Lague" [rlague@charter.net]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: SONY Service
message-ID: <015501c086f3$384206c0$0400a8c0@charterpipeline.com>
I tried the website over the last couple of days and I could not believe it.
YOu can't get por product information. As someone in the internet
business.....some heads should roll for that mess.
I have had nothing BUT GREAT SERVICE from Sony. They redid my DV camera in
3 working days and UPSed it back to me.
I hope they don't chang the high level of service.
A VERY SATISFIED SONY CUSTOMER. I like their
DV video stuff because I am sure I will get good service.....I hope they
don't change.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Gregory [pyrotecnico@home.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: SONY Service
> May not to be the same issue, but has anyone really tried to USE the Sony
> WEB site? It is the most difficult to nnavigate site for PROs I've ever
> seen. You just can't use Search and expect to find what you are looking
> for. ANYONE have some 'backdoor' URLs that get you to the higher end
> equipment and info?
>
> Steve
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Danny Grizzle" [danny@mogulhost.com>
] To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org>
] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 9:09 AM
> Subject: Re: SONY Service
>
>
> > on 1/25/01 8:39 AM, Rik Albury at Rik.Albury@dalsemi.com wrote:
> >
> > > Danny Grizzle wrote, in part:
> > >
> > >> Sony has just consolidated all service centers into a single national
> > >> location, eliminating the regional service centers such as the one in
> > >> Dallas.
> > >
> > > Well, someone forgot to tell the guys in Dallas. They're doing a
> > > booming business.
> > >
> > > -Rik. (CIC - Not yet paid)
> >
> > That's not what I heard. When I called last, the only ones left were
> > long-timers holding on to vest every last penny of retirement. Everyone
> else
> > had jumped ship. From what I understand, all the Sony techs were seeking
> to
> > negotiate a deal to move their group as a whole to a third-party
> > distributor, so maybe you are dealing with the same bunch of guys
although
> > they may no longer be Sony employees.
> >
> > Danny Grizzle
> >
> >
> > ------(cut off when replying)-------------------------------
> > All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
> http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
> >
> > This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
> http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
> http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members.
To
> contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------
> >
>
>
> ------(cut off when replying)-------------------------------
> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
>
> This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members. To
contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:21:41 -0800
From: "Lone Orchard Productions" [dloranger@derekloranger.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: SONY Service
message-ID:
I also have beef with Sony's site. A month ago or so, I was looking for a
particular pricey scan converter and even had the model number and simply
could not find it on their site. I vendor was trying to sell me one and I
wanted more info on it and to this date, could not get one. I even emailed
them and still have no gotten a response.
I gave up and don't even remember what the model number was anymore...
Derek CIC-???
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Gregory [mailto:pyrotecnico@home.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 8:03 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: SONY Service
May not to be the same issue, but has anyone really tried to USE the Sony
WEB site? It is the most difficult to nnavigate site for PROs I've ever
seen. You just can't use Search and expect to find what you are looking
for. ANYONE have some 'backdoor' URLs that get you to the higher end
equipment and info?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Danny Grizzle" [danny@mogulhost.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: SONY Service
> on 1/25/01 8:39 AM, Rik Albury at Rik.Albury@dalsemi.com wrote:
>
> > Danny Grizzle wrote, in part:
> >
> >> Sony has just consolidated all service centers into a single national
> >> location, eliminating the regional service centers such as the one in
> >> Dallas.
> >
> > Well, someone forgot to tell the guys in Dallas. They're doing a
> > booming business.
> >
> > -Rik. (CIC - Not yet paid)
>
> That's not what I heard. When I called last, the only ones left were
> long-timers holding on to vest every last penny of retirement. Everyone
else
> had jumped ship. From what I understand, all the Sony techs were seeking
to
> negotiate a deal to move their group as a whole to a third-party
> distributor, so maybe you are dealing with the same bunch of guys although
> they may no longer be Sony employees.
>
> Danny Grizzle
>
>
> ------(cut off when replying)-------------------------------
> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
>
> This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members. To
contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
------(cut off when replying)-------------------------------
All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members. To
contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:23:43 -0800
From: "Lone Orchard Productions" [dloranger@derekloranger.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: DSR-11 and Recording in DV
message-ID:
In the process to save tape and/or $$, I m currently using a DSR-11 to
record in DV mode, rather than DVCAM mode.
Does anyone see any long-term problems or any other issues that may arise as
a result of this?
Derek, CIC

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:29:12 -0600
From: "Marc C. Hood, EdD" [mhood@adent.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Some Good News Anyone (the VAIO angle)
message-ID: [3A706268.38F49C53@adent.com]
My playback gave me a scare at first...the send signal to the PC100 and display setting caused the playback on the ThinkPad to stutter *very* badly. Then I noticed it was perfect on the PC100. When I unplugged the PC100, the DVSoft codec seems to
have automatically kicked in and playback was perfect on the ThinkPad.
Of course, all of this footage was captured to and played back from the Deskstar 75GB in the Pyro external case. I have not tried daisy chaining the PC100 and the Deskstar because the IBM IEEE PC card has two ports and came with two (a 6 pin and a 4
pin) cables. There's really only one way I can hook it all up right now, which makes it simple for a dummie like me ;-)
It is working perfectly, although I haven't tried anything very challenging or long with the system yet.
mhood, CIC-CFRO
> Also, how's your playback? I never get perfectly smooth playback on my VAIO
> within Premiere, but I live with the minor stuttering once in a while
> (outside Premiere, in DVGate, is perfect though). What I am wondering is if
> getting an external drive like yours will help me?
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:28:45 -0600 (CST)
From: Vidiot [brown@mrvideo.vidiot.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DSR-11 and Recording in DV
message-ID: <200101251728.LAA06591@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
>In the process to save tape and/or $$, I m currently using a DSR-11 to
>record in DV mode, rather than DVCAM mode.
>
>Does anyone see any long-term problems or any other issues that may arise as
>a result of this?
>
>Derek, CIC
Other than the potential for more dropouts from using the slower speed?
MB
--
e-mail: vidiot@vidiot.com
Bart: Hey, why is it destroying other toys? Lisa: They must have
programmed it to eliminate the competition. Bart: You mean like
Microsoft? Lisa: Exactly. [The Simpsons - 12/18/99]
Visit - URL:http://www.vidiot.com/ (Your link to Star Trek and UPN)

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:28:17 -0500
From: jmerser@concentric.net
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re:OFF TOPIC CES: the DV state of the consumer nation (long)
message-ID:
>> OTOH, this week at The North American
>> International Auto show (press week) in Detroit, I saw
>> everything from XL1s with 3x lens to VX2K,
>> JVC DV500 and BetaSX. (I was working there as 2nd audio
>> guy for Toyota and Lexus booth). Those Betacam
>> guys need a truck to move around their kits.
>> The DV guys had it easy in comparison.
>>
>> Hard to believe that DV has been around for 6 years now.
>>
>> jmerser
>HELLO: WAS MIKE ZORICH THEIR WITH YOU. HE IS A GREAT GUY AND HAS HELPED ME
>A LOT. BEST TUGHOLLOW
Hey David,
Is Mike Zorich the very nice and knowledgable
guy who's FOH engineer for Toyota? Ex marine flyer?
Lives in Cali?
Toyota's guy's name was Mike, but I didn't get the last name.
He did a great job once he undid
Lexus guy mixes FOH for Barry Manilow.
and had to deal with a huge live band featuring strings,
percussion, sax, etc. for their reveal.
Now, if you've ever seen a car commercial on TV,
you'd know that the voice over is ALWAYS rich,
fat, and wonderful w/ the music far back in the mix.
In the video they were showing,
while the band played, this voice over sounded like the talent
had a cold and recorded it in a cardboard box.
Try to make that large over a 12 piece band.
FOH Eng. Lexus tried all kinds of band mixes, but didn't
ever seem to realize what the real problem was.
EQ the VOICEOVER . . . HELLO?
In the end he turned it up to ear crushing volume
and the band didn't play during the video.
The client was happy :0>
Looks like Chicago car show is next,
but I don't think I'll be attending that fun ;)
jmerser

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:26:13 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Fundraising and the DeVi-L
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125122222.01af7bd0@popserver.panix.com>
At 07:20 AM 1/25/01 -0500, Keith wrote:
>On 1/24/01 6:01 PM, Bertel Schmitt got kicked off a skyscraper and screamed:
>
> > Be it as it may, according to my wife's priest (who has returned to his old
> > job as Senior VP at Christie's in the meantime) fund raising is not a sin,
> > as long as the funds go to a good cause. And they will.
>
>Haven't been paying attention here (100+ posts / day provide plenty of
>motivation to delete most of them), but what's all this talk about donations
>are fund-raising? And what does "DeVi-L" have to do with it?
Sorry, too long a story, too often told. If the DeVi-L piqued your interest
enough that you can tolerate some words about fundraising, please scroll
back through the trashcan and the hairraising traffic. For fundraising
without the pitchfork, look at the very bottom of that post and follow the
links.
BS

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:17:35 +0400
From: "david e. kahn" [tughollow@bigplanet.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: A Quick Survey
message-ID:
on 1/12/01 3:59 AM, Chris Benham at benham@lclark.edu wrote:
> Just a quick survey. I'd appreciate any info you folks have.
>
> For those of you who make a living at video production, how do you
> market yourself?
>
> From what I've seen, most people use the Yellow Pages and referrals.
> Does anyone have any other successful strategies that they wouldn't
> mind sharing?
>
> Chris Benham
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> |Chris Benham | benham@lclark.edu |
> |Consultant | |
> |Lewis & Clark College | Good, Fast, Cheap |
> |Portland, OR | Choose two. |
> | | |
> | | |
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> ------(cut off when replying)-------------------------------
> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
> http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
> --------------------------------------------------------------
HELLO: IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE AUDIENCE YOU WANT TO REACH. LONG AGO I LEARNED
IT WAS NOT WHAT I EARNED BUT WHAT I SPENT. THIS TO ME IS A GOOD BUSINESS
PRACTICE. A BUSSINESS CREDIT CARD IS WHAT THE TAX PEOPLE TRUST. ONLY USE IT
FOR YOUR BUSINESS EXPENSES. TRAVEL FROM YOUR BASE IS EXPENSIVE SO THAT IS
WHERE THE EXTRA COST IS. MOST OF YOUR CLIENTS ARE NOT DUMB SO IT IS UP TO
YOU TO KNOW WHAT COSTS ARE INVOLVED. PLEASE MAKE SURE BEFORE YOU CHARGE FOR
TRAVEL THAT YOU CAN DEDUCT IT SO THAT THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT GET IT FROM
YOU. SOME PEOPLE TRY TO CHARGE TO MUCH FOR TAPE AND THE LIKE. FOR ME THAT
IS NOT FOR MY WAY OF DOING THINGS. MOST OF THE PEOPLE I WORK WITH DO NOT
HAVE MUCH. THEY TAKE CARE OF ALL EXPENSIVES WHEN I ARRIVE. They KNOW THE
COST OF AIR FARE AND THEY PICK UP THAT OR TRAIN OR AUTOMOBILE TRAVEL. I
JUST GIVE THEM THE RECEIPTS. ADVERTISMENT IN THE YELLOW PAGES IS GOOD IF
YOU CAN HANDEL THE WORK. MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO ADVERTISE HAVE OTHERS
WORKING FOR THEM. TO ME THAT DOES NOT THE WAY. WHAT YOU MAY WANT TO DO
IS TO SEE WHO ELSE IS IN YOUR AREA THAT YOU CAN WORK WITH AND BY COMBINING
TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS YOUR COST OF THE YELLOW PAGES WILL COME
DOWN FOR EACH AND YOU ALL CAN NOT PUT YOUR SELVES IN A PRESSURE DO COMPLETE
THE JOB. THIS WAY IF YOU HAVE A TWO OR MORE CAMERA JOB YOU CAN ALL WORK
TOGETHER WITHOUT TRYING TO FIND SOMEONE YOU DO NOT KNOW ABOUT. ALSO THIS
ALSO MEANS THAT THE CAMERAS OR EDITING SYSTEMS THAT YOU HAVE IF THEY HAVE
TROUBLE YOU DO NOT HAVE TO MAKE A LOT OF EXCUSSES. Tughollow

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:38:42 -0600
From: David Callahan [net3@fullnet.net]
To: DV-L [DV-L@DVCentral.org]
Subject: Ram Testing software
message-ID: [B695C0C2.11BE%net3@fullnet.net]
Anyone aware of any software that will test RAM on a G-4?
--
David Callahan
Director of Multimedia
International Pentecostal Holiness Church
www.iphc.org

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:46:36 -0500
From: "Christopher Van Nest" [cvannest@usa.net]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: Let's not gloss over that Starband thing.
message-ID:
I think that's about it, but I believe DirecPC just announced their =
version 4 with dual-way (bi-directional) access.
Also, several magazines and TechTV have recently done reviews on these =
systems. I believe most of them say that early tests indicate that =
upload speed on both Starband and DirecPC are both mediocre (about 56K), =
but that Starband is markedly faster with downloading. Here are some =
review links:
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article.asp?aid=3D36807
http://www.pcworld.com/home/browse.asp?cat=3D489
http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/stories/reviews/0,6755,2671134,00.html
http://www.techtv.com/moneymachine/shopwithstacee/story/0,23008,3306936,0=
0.html (they had a different report from CES, but I haven't found it)
BTW, I'm also considering satellite (probably Starband), so keep us =
posted OT if you go ahead and get one.
-Christopher, CIC
____________________________
Host/Producer FREESPORT-TV
http://www.freesport-tv.com/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc C. Hood, EdD [mailto:mhood@adent.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 11:49 AM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Let's not gloss over that Starband thing.
> > > Bertel mentioned Starband, so (living at a lake in Texas, miles from
> nowhere) I did a little research. All I could find was:
> > 1. Starband 500kps down, 150kps up. Available now $400 installation,
> $70 month. http://www.starband.com/
> > 2. WildBlue, 3.0Mbps down, 400Kbps up. Available early 2002.
> http://www.wildblue.com/hot/index.htm
> > 3. Teledesic (Gates and McGraw), faster than greased bug guts down,
> almost that fast up. Available 2004 (but having problems lately).
> http://www.teledesic.com/
> > Yes, I did see DirectPC, but only 2-way will really serve my needs. =
Did
> I miss any? I hope Starband has a competitor or two out there, but I
> couldn't find any.
> > mhood, CIC-CFRO
> > > ------(cut off when replying)-------------------------------
> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe: > http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
> > This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as > http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,=20
> http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its > members. To contribute money: =
http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
> > --------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:52:09 -0500
From: "Crittenden, Jan" [CRITTENDENJ@PANASONIC.COM]
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'" [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: Everybody: Welcome Panasonic as a Lifetime Benefactor
message-ID:
Perry wrote:
So, about that
ridiculous 800 lines of res . . . .
Well Perry I am working on it, just need to do the appropriate research, but
thus far what I have found in the Engineering manuals is that most point to
resolution based on sampling frequency rather than pixel count.
To be continued.
Jan

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:00:21 -0500
From: "Crittenden, Jan" [CRITTENDENJ@PANASONIC.COM]
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'" [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: Everybody: Welcome Panasonic as a Lifetime Benefactor
message-ID:
Jon wrote:
Let us hope that all this new found commercial recognition doesn't go to our
heads. Thank you Jan, for the confidence you have placed in all of us.
It's really is a charming group. I sincerely hope it stays that way.
Jan: And if it doesn't I am really going to get upset, using the politically
correct term.
So Jon, are you coming to the WEVA Town Meeting in Maui on the 6th? If so,
maybe I can finally put a face behind the name. I do have the tough duty of
having to fly in on Friday because of the cheaper Saturday Night Stayover
Airfare, so I'll be there all weekend. Planning on going up to the top of
Haleakala(sp?)to take some stills. Is there snow up there?
Aloha,
Jan

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:02:24 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Offensive advertising. An ode to Robert.
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125130053.039a8190@popserver.panix.com>
At 02:34 PM 1/25/01 +0000, Howard wrote:
>But I am willing to help defray costs too here. This list has been
>invaluable to me, but it will be even more so in coming months. Where to send?
Howard et al: Handy on-line donation feature at the bottom of each message.
Where it says: To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
BS. CIC

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:59:20 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Interesting times?
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125125450.039a86b0@popserver.panix.com>
At 02:33 PM 1/25/01 +0100, Robert wrote:
>We live in interesting times.
The Chinese have in interesting curse that goes "May you live in
interesting times."
BS

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:32:22 +0100
From: Martin Heffels [zap@home.nl]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Offensive advertising. An ode to Robert.
message-ID:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:02:24 -0500, Bertel Schmitt
[bschmitt@panix.com> wrote:
]Howard et al: Handy on-line donation feature at the bottom of each =
message. >Where it says: To contribute money: =
http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
okok. Since I prefer to think pratically when it comes to value of
money, I transferred the equivalent of 33 _Dutch_ breads :)
-martin-

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:40:34 -0500
From: "Gary Bettan, The Electronic Mailbox" [videoguy@concentric.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: News: Cleaner 5 beta 1.02
message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010125133836.00b97720@pop3.concentric.net>
Cleaner 5 v5.0.2b6 Beta updater:
This beta update includes significant fixes and general reliability
improvements, and is specifically recommended for:
Windows users who are having difficulty reading AVI files,
Macintosh users who are having difficulty creating MPEG-1 files compatible
with Adaptec Toast, and
Macintosh users running Cleaner 5 on dual-processor PowerMacs.
Although we do not believe this updater introduces new problems, "beta"
versions are not officially supported by Technical Support and we only
recommend this updater if you need a fix for the specific scenarios listed.
http://terran.media100.com/support/Downloads.html
With this beta RT2000 & DV500/DC1000 users should have no problems
importing avi files into Cleaner 5.
Gary
The Electronic Mailbox 800 323-2325
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The Desk Top Video Handbook On Line http://www.videoguys.com
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assurance program and FREE Tech Support (516) 759-1615

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:02:36 -0800
From: "Mike Jennings" [mjenning@Adobe.COM]
To: DV-L [DV-L@DVCentral.org]
Subject: CCD Size and Depth of Field
message-ID:
Why is it that cameras with larger CCD's have a shorter depth of field?
--Mike Jennings

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:15:53 -0500
From: jmerser@concentric.net
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Ram Testing software
message-ID:
>Anyone aware of any software that will test RAM on a G-4?
>--
Not sure about the G4, but Techtool pro checks ram and
everything else. It should work.
jmerser

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:22:44 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: For A New But-Can't-Be-Better DV-L
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125133649.0399e800@popserver.panix.com>
At 09:49 AM 1/25/01 -0500, Jim wrote:
>Count me in ro help with what we need to do to do what we need to do!
>
>It would be embarrassingly mawkish to say how grateful I am for this
>list and the people on it! Let's just say very!
>
>Someone please let me know where I should send, etc.
I'm in an increasingly difficult situation here: Some find our fundraising
activities too crass, but many can't find them at all. That "please let me
know where I should send, etc." is a recurring theme.
We don't want to turn this into a PBS fundraiser. If you want to give,
please click on the http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
in the sig and it will lead you to a site, where you can donate money
online, you will get an on-line receipt and all.
Everybody: Is there a better way to word the "To contribute money:
http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html .... Without making many more
words, of course ... ? Or is it just one more of those "please
unsubscribe me!" and it's there, all the time, and because it's there, we
don't see it anymore, like the Empire State Bldg. is to New Yorkers?
Puzzled,
BS
PS: People who have pledged: Please pay up. It's not the money. It's the
honor. We do what we say on DV-L

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:46:23 -0500
From: "Christopher Van Nest" [cvannest@usa.net]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: DV-L Doings. Please read !!!!!!
message-ID:
I haven't used Frontier, but I skimmed their home page at =
http://frontier.userland.com/ and it looks quite interesting as a =
content management tool. I also liked the idea of their web-based =
management software, Manila, at http://manila.userland.com/. BTW, didn't =
Userland used to primarily make an interface tool for AppleScript? You might also check out Zope at http://www.zope.org/, which looks like =
it does similar content management but uses a multiplatform =
object-oriented language called Python as its base. I've used Python in =
the past (we're talking '94) and it was pretty straightforward and =
actually fun to develop in. I haven't used Zope yet, but it looks =
impressive and I like the programmatic idea of being able to write =
object-oriented code that can create dynamic, database-driven pages.
On a related note, I'm wondering how BS & A (or whomever will be =
administering the website) would think about outsourcing other portions =
of the DV-L website? Not that I'm commenting on anyone's ability, but =
outsourcing may free up more time if you're short on it. For example, =
check out http://www.topica.com/ for the listserve-- I think Topica =
supports both HTML and plain-text formatting and gives you quite a bit =
of control over automatic subject, header, and footer lines.
-Christopher
____________________________
Host/Producer FREESPORT-TV
http://www.freesport-tv.com/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bertel Schmitt [mailto:bschmitt@panix.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 1:41 PM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Re: DV-L Doings. Please read !!!!!!
> > > At 12:25 PM 1/24/01 -0600, CIC-CFRO wrote:
> >Maybe someone could suggest a good wizard for Windows, but I'll > ask Bertel > >to fine them $100US if they use the words FrontPage, NetObjects or > >DreamWeaver in their suggestion.
> > Anybody used Frontier? http://frontier.userland.com/
> > BS

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:41:52 -0600
From: Danny Grizzle [danny@mogulhost.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: CCD Size and Depth of Field
message-ID: [B695DDA0.C937%danny@mogulhost.com]
on 1/25/01 1:02 PM, Mike Jennings at mjenning@Adobe.COM wrote:
> Why is it that cameras with larger CCD's have a shorter depth of field?
Because they require a longer focal length "normal" lens.
Normal focal length varies with format size, but depth of field
characteristics remain constant for a given focal length.
In practical application, long focal lengths - telephotos - are considered
to have less depth of field. Short focal lengths - wider angles - have
greater depth of field.
Example: Canon Elura has a 4.1 - 49.2mm lens. (12x) I don't know what is
considered normal for a 1/4" CCD, but even if it is around 15mm, you need to
consider that this focal length is in the exotic extreme of wide angles used
with 35mm cameras. Fact is, at this focal length, depth of field is so
incredible, focusing is almost not necessary. Flip side is, you can't
deliberately get anything out of focus!
I've said it before on this list, but I think there is a biological basis
for this in human perception. One part of dizzy sex appeal is the fact that
our eyes dialate. There is actual physical basis for focusing our attention
so intently on something that we actually do lose sight of all else. Control
of depth of field in cinematography is one way we visually invoke that
feeling.
Danny Grizzle

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:44:21 -0800
From: Ross Jones [RJones@fullerton.edu]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: FCP and QT5, Radius, and others???
message-ID:
>So then with FCP your limited to the DVsoft Codec that smears the chroma to
>the left or the QT4 codec (currently stable) that produces a really noisey
>signal for FCP production? What's the best way to do video on the mac then?
>EditDV with the Radius codec?
Apple's QT5 codec (actually it's a plug-in to QT4 too) has solved those issues.
It's a free upgrade with either QT5 pp2 or MacOS 9.1 (QT 4.1.2 with DV 4.1.3)
Ross "just rip it out and drop it in here" Jones

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:45:47 -0500
From: "Crittenden, Jan" [CRITTENDENJ@PANASONIC.COM]
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'" [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: CCD Size and Depth of Field
message-ID:
Good Question Mike, I'll include that with my resolution research answer,
coming soon.
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Jennings [mailto:mjenning@Adobe.COM]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 11:03 AM
To: DV-L
Subject: CCD Size and Depth of Field
Why is it that cameras with larger CCD's have a shorter depth of field?
--Mike Jennings

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:41:25 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Robert Rouveroy, CIC-OBM < Doesn't know how to pay
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125142854.04eb8850@popserver.panix.com>
At 04:30 PM 1/25/01 +0100, Robert Rouveroy, after offering 100 Roepias, wrote:
> Where and how do I send it?
Robert, darling, please: Send whatever you want. 100 BFR. 100 Lit. 5
Euros. Anything. Or nothing. But please: We went through this "offensive
advertising" hell, and at the VERY BOTTOM of the offending item is the link
to where & how & what to send!!!!!
(Foreign currency dept: The donation machine only accepts US$. Minimum unit
is $1. If you want to pay in your indigenous currency, do a mental
conversion into dolares, round to the next full $, and send it off. You
credit card company will convert it into your currency - probably will add
some ludicrous foreign currency conversion percentage - and there it is:
You DV-L contribution in your own currency.)
I'm really convinced now that the line down under is way to understated. If
Robert doesn't find it, who else will? Please, help and let's put this to
rest. I'm completely new at this fundraising gig, but it takes up time,
list bandwidth etc.
BS says: Look here v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v !!!

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:51:00 -0600
From: Danny Grizzle [danny@mogulhost.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: Ram Testing software
message-ID: [B695DFC4.C938%danny@mogulhost.com]
on 1/25/01 1:15 PM, jmerser@concentric.net at jmerser@concentric.net wrote:
> Anyone aware of any software that will test RAM on a G-4?
Try Ram Check from ProVUE Development. Freeware, only 14k download.
www.provue.com/proVUE/files.html>
This software has been around since the original 128k Mac, but it should
still work.
While you are at it, download ProVUE's Panorama 3 MegaDemo from the same
page above. This program is #1 on my all-time list of favorite software, and
a real secret weapon for lots of Mac users. (Panorama is a very powerful,
very fast RAM-resident database.)
www.provue.com>
Danny Grizzle

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:58:05 +0400
From: "david e. kahn" [tughollow@bigplanet.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Mini-DV feature films technical issues
message-ID:
on 1/11/01 10:15 AM, Crazy Tale at crazytale@hotmail.com wrote:
> Hi!
> > I have some good news to share and I'm seeking some feedback and/or advic=
e
> on a couple of technical issues.
> > I'm a filmmaker based in Australia developing low-budget feature length
> projects to be shot on PAL Mini-DV and aimed primarily at video release.
> The good news is my Exec Producer has finished raising the money for the
> first package of two films.
> > Provided the first package is successful (both in terms of production
> quality and return to our investors), we'll be in a position to establish=
a
> mini-studio down-under making 4-6 films a year -- a low-risk environment
> where talented up-and-comers get a break and are supported by more
> experienced personnel.
> > The budgets are roughly the equivalent of smaller locally-made telemovies
> (usually shot on 16mm or analogue Betacam) and afford a reasonable amount=
of
> grips and lighting gear, plenty of pre-production and 2 x 4 week shoots
> (back-to-back with a 1 week "recharge" break for non-heads of department)=
.
> > The money saved by shooting Mini-DV and completing most post-production
> in-house will be plowed back into on-screen production value and we've be=
en
> lucky to assemble a core team of talented artists and technicians -- all =
of
> whom have had feature film experience -- including award-winning make-up
> effects artists from "The Matrix" and "Island of Doctor Moreau". Total ca=
st
> and crew numbers about 30 and, apart from a couple of attachments, everyo=
ne
> will be paid industry minimums for their efforts.
> > The post-production methodology will see most work completed on a PC-base=
d
> NLE system -- built around a Pinnacle DV500 capture card, a PIII 733, Int=
el
> m/b, Windows2000 running Premiere with 120 gigs devoted to storage. The
> system is pretty much stable and quite fast. It handles long-form materi=
al
> without hassle and outputs directly from the timeline via 1394 to a
> Panasonic DV10000 deck -- which accepts standard DV cassettes and mini-DV=
.
> Device control works fine and is frame accurate. All in all, it's quite a
> pleasing low-budget set-up.
> > The plan for the features is to shoot progressive scan in true 16:9, edit=
to
> fine-cut and track-lay within Premiere, "Cinelook" the finished image, th=
en
> master back to DV. Third-party post-production is limited to CGI FX desig=
n,
> additional sound (ADR, foley, final stereo mix) and bumping up the edited=
DV
> master to Digi-Beta for supply to distributors.
> > ...Has anyone undergone the process of bumping Pal Mini-DV footage to
> DigiBeta -- specifically material edited within the Pinnacle DV500/Premie=
re
> domain (using Pinnacle's compression codec)...?
> > Recently, a post-production facility tried talking me out of onlining thi=
s
> way and spending more money with them (surprize, surprize). They sugges=
ted
> onlining directly from the Mini-DV tapes to DigiBeta "...with no addition=
al
> compression, soooooo much better, acceptable to TV stations", yadda, yadd=
a,
> yadda... The thing is onlining and grading their way is costly and, tho=
ugh
> it might make their bank manager smile, it means money gets pulled from
> other areas of production to pay for it.
> > Attaining a professional "look" for the end product is crucial; we will b=
e
> using Professional DV cameras and prime lenses, but I'm wondering whether=
or
> not the extra expense of 3rd party onlining will result in the average
> viewer (or distribution executive) noticing a significant improvement in
> image quality? Is it really worth trading off real on-screen production
> values (FX, stunts, etc.) for less compression? It's something that need=
s
> to be resolved. Any thoughts, pro or con on this issue?
> > Also, can anyone offer insight into getting the best images out of the
> DV500/Premiere combo when mastering...? Especially interested in the vid=
eo
> levels pumped out -- other than hooking up the NLE to a broadcast quality
> monitor to gauge images in the grading process, should any other technica=
l
> adjustments be made prior to 1394 output and the bump up to DigiBeta?
> > In other words, are the levels outputted by this combo defaulted to TV
> broadcast specs in terms of black levels and so on...? If not, is it be=
st
> to adjust these settings within Premiere... or not worry about it, master=
to
> DV with default settings and deal with tweaking levels at the transfer to
> DigiBeta stage?
> > I'd greatly appreciate anyone with tips or advice to contact me off-list.
> Mucho thanx in advance!
> > Fingers crossed this all works out! The shoots are planned for the secon=
d
> half of the year and I'll post worthwhile news as things move into full
> swing... or advise of its demise, should life turn sour (hey, I'm a
> realist... s**t happens)!
> > Sorry if this letter's a little long.
> > > Cheers everyone!
> > Anthony
> > > > _________________________________________________________________________
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> --------------------------------------------------------------
Hello: I work with mostly native people and have been asked to show two
video's this coming year in Australia at native video-film festivals. I hav=
e
been to your country over the past 30 years at least once every two years.
Mostly worked out in the western deserts and in other remote areas. Will
contact you before I take this next trip and if I am in your area =CE can sho=
w
you what I do and you can do the same. Naturally we all have tricks that w=
e
use and those make life easier. Good luck on your projects. I know that
certain items are expensive ie tape and the like and when I come I can brin=
g
some for you or other simular items. Tughollow

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:58:07 +0400
From: "david e. kahn" [tughollow@bigplanet.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Some basics to get started
message-ID:
on 1/10/01 10:01 PM, Chris Scaglione at cscags19@netscape.net wrote:
> What have I gotten myself into? I bought a Panasonic PV-DV200 at a charity
> auction and now I want to start editing movies on my PC!?!?
> My goals are simple: I'd like to be able to shoot higher quality video (than
> my current Hi-8 camcorder), edit it using cool but novice features, watch it,
> share it, and save it in a nice, clean digital format forever.
> I've learned a ton already on dvcentral.org, but I'm still seeking guidance
> on (1) what hardware & software would be best (PC platform)?, and (2) how can
> I view my final product? On the PC only? Can I copy to a CD, DVD, VHS tape,
> etc.?
> Consider me a novice, although I do have an EE degree I haven't used for 15
> years and I have sound working knowledge of computers...
>
> Many Thanks,
> Chris Scaglione
> __________________________________________________________________
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> http://webmail.netscape.com/
>
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Hello: High quality is everybody's goal. Interesting and content is more
important. The quality that you are after is not high and never will be
like NBC or CBS with your level of equipment Don't try. Just work on clean
cuts and content and intersting. Then you will have your high quality and
can say that is what I can do. Tughollow

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:48:15 -0600
From: lcasta@lsuhsc.edu (Castaing, Louis)
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: CCD Size and Depth of Field
message-ID:
and all this time I thought it was Art. turns out it was . . .
-----Original Message-----
From: Danny Grizzle [mailto:danny@mogulhost.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 1:42 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: CCD Size and Depth of Field
on 1/25/01 1:02 PM, Mike Jennings at mjenning@Adobe.COM wrote:
> Why is it that cameras with larger CCD's have a shorter depth of field?
Because they require a longer focal length "normal" lens.
Normal focal length varies with format size, but depth of field
characteristics remain constant for a given focal length.
In practical application, long focal lengths - telephotos - are considered
to have less depth of field. Short focal lengths - wider angles - have
greater depth of field.
Example: Canon Elura has a 4.1 - 49.2mm lens. (12x) I don't know what is
considered normal for a 1/4" CCD, but even if it is around 15mm, you need to
consider that this focal length is in the exotic extreme of wide angles used
with 35mm cameras. Fact is, at this focal length, depth of field is so
incredible, focusing is almost not necessary. Flip side is, you can't
deliberately get anything out of focus!
I've said it before on this list, but I think there is a biological basis
for this in human perception. One part of dizzy sex appeal is the fact that
our eyes dialate. There is actual physical basis for focusing our attention
so intently on something that we actually do lose sight of all else. Control
of depth of field in cinematography is one way we visually invoke that
feeling.
Danny Grizzle

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:59:40 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Drag & drop & pop, you're on.
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125145405.01b02530@popserver.panix.com>
At 11:19 AM 1/25/01 -0500, Christopher, CIC wrote:
>But back to on-topic-- maybe the new DV-L website can give us the option
>of putting a small photo and some background information of the members?
When we were young, reckless, and had no idea of how much work this is, we
started something along these lines. Antique exhibits are at
http://www.dvcentral.org/gallery.html
and
http://www.dvcentral.org/jumps.html
(Takes ages to load ... it's not your computer, it's their banners,
animated GIFs and all - also once it's loaded, you must scroll down, the
frames are kaputt)
We would like to do more along these lines. But it must be AUTOMATED. Drag
& drop & pop, you're on. Who can help?
BS, CIC

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:51:39 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Robert Rouveroy, CIC-OBM. < Still can't pay
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125144505.0399e320@popserver.panix.com>
At 05:08 PM 1/25/01 +0100, Robert wrote:
>Sound good, but my Explorer browser does not show a "quantity" box. Must
be blind.
Arghhh. This site is provided through the good services of Yahoo Online
Shopping & Processing. Hit "Add" an you shall see. The "Add" button will
take you into their SSL-protected site. If you still can't see their
quantity box in the shopping cart provided, then it's either them, or the
DeVi-L is already in your computer, and your CIC is free of charge.
BS

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:07:46 -0500
From: "Christopher Van Nest" [cvannest@usa.net]
To: "DV-L" [DV-L@DVCentral.org]
Subject: FW: DV-L Doings. Please read !!!!!!
message-ID:
BTW, check out how Launchpoint.net describes their dynamic, =
multi-user-created websites at http://www.launchpoint.net/. Here's a =
quoted description:

"News-Oriented Website(optional) If you run a News site or a Weblog, =
Like Slashdot you can have multiple days worth of news shown on your =
homepage with multiple news articles. This lets readers see what you =
have been talking about for more than one day. Blogthis.com is an =
example of that."

Additionally, it looks like you can create Launchpoint.net websites with =
Frontier OR Zope, but I don't yet know which is better (Frontier or =
Zope), especially if you plan on hosting it yourself. But I'd say that =
generally this type of multi-user, semi-automated, database-driven =
webstuff looks good for DV-L use.
BTW, I think Launchpoint.net will let you create a 30-day test site if =
you want to explore what Frontier sites might look like and how easy (or =
not) they are to develop and maintain.
-Christopher
____________________________
Host/Producer FREESPORT-TV
http://www.freesport-tv.com/
-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Van Nest [mailto:cvannest@usa.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 2:46 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: DV-L Doings. Please read !!!!!!
I haven't used Frontier, but I skimmed their home page at =
http://frontier.userland.com/ and it looks quite interesting as a =
content management tool. I also liked the idea of their web-based =
management software, Manila, at http://manila.userland.com/. BTW, didn't =
Userland used to primarily make an interface tool for AppleScript? You might also check out Zope at http://www.zope.org/, which looks like =
it does similar content management but uses a multiplatform =
object-oriented language called Python as its base. I've used Python in =
the past (we're talking '94) and it was pretty straightforward and =
actually fun to develop in. I haven't used Zope yet, but it looks =
impressive and I like the programmatic idea of being able to write =
object-oriented code that can create dynamic, database-driven pages.
On a related note, I'm wondering how BS & A (or whomever will be =
administering the website) would think about outsourcing other portions =
of the DV-L website? Not that I'm commenting on anyone's ability, but =
outsourcing may free up more time if you're short on it. For example, =
check out http://www.topica.com/ for the listserve-- I think Topica =
supports both HTML and plain-text formatting and gives you quite a bit =
of control over automatic subject, header, and footer lines.
-Christopher
____________________________
Host/Producer FREESPORT-TV
http://www.freesport-tv.com/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bertel Schmitt [mailto:bschmitt@panix.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 1:41 PM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Re: DV-L Doings. Please read !!!!!!
> > > At 12:25 PM 1/24/01 -0600, CIC-CFRO wrote:
> >Maybe someone could suggest a good wizard for Windows, but I'll > ask Bertel > >to fine them $100US if they use the words FrontPage, NetObjects or > >DreamWeaver in their suggestion.
> > Anybody used Frontier? http://frontier.userland.com/
> > BS

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:03:42 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: New: News on http://www.dvcentral.org
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125150125.03367710@popserver.panix.com>
At 09:40 AM 1/25/01 -0700, Francois wrote:
>Is this the first sign of the robotics revolution?
Probably, but they are clearly are violating one of the laws of robotics.
I'll check out the site. Alexei (now at DVExpo or in Utah) did it. What is
everybody's favorite HTML editor (don't get smug on me and say "Notepad.") ?
BS, CIC-GOFER

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:18:46 -0500
From: Keith [yakkei2@nyc.rr.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: Interesting times?
message-ID:
On 1/25/01 8:33 AM, Robert Rouveroy got kicked off a skyscraper and
screamed:
> she mentioned quantum computers, CD's with TerraTerrabytes capacity,
> video cameras with sheer unlimited recording parameters, making
> continuous holographic display and transmission possible. There were
> many more speculations by other scientists but the above are of
> specific interests to us....We live in interesting times.
"Fascinating", even "magical" might be a better description. But at the same
time, this sorta worries me. With this kind of computing power, aesthetic
algorithms can programmed into a computer or artificial human. What happens
to us then? What purposed would we serve? None. And please don't tell me
that no scientist would ever try to develop it. As Jeff Goldblum said in
Jurassic Park, they'll do it because they can, not because they should.
Another point here is why hasn't engineering taken the same leaps and bounds
electronics has? If that happened, we'd be flying to the nearest stars by
now in days' time, rather than the nearest planet in years'.
Keith

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:24:30 -0500
From: Keith [yakkei2@nyc.rr.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: Offensive advertising. An ode to Robert.
message-ID:
On 1/25/01 10:07 AM, Robert Rouveroy got kicked off a skyscraper and
screamed:
> You could not have read my letter with care. I don't find advertising
> offensive: I just wanted it neatly at the bottom without gushy
> acknowledgements.
Relax dude. You seem like the kinda guy who takes everything in stride.
> I have no opinion on the offensiveness of your breath. I don't wish
> to come too close to find out.
And you most certainly never will! I don't know WHAT kind of sick stuff
YOU'RE thinking about!
Keith

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:27:05 -0800
From: "Fred Greissing" [singfred@cvhsa.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: Some Good News Anyone (the VAIO angle)
message-ID:
Hi Marc
I have achieved very long playback on my laptop setup, NOTE my way of
setting up the audio so as to force audio rendering.
The following is a post I made on a web board (DVDoctor)
I am using a Travelmate 735TLV
It is a PIII 650 192MB RAM 12GB
12 GB internal HD
75 GB IBM in a Pyro firewire HD kit
Sony DCR TRV900e
Pyro1394 DV CardBus (for the camera)
Western Digital 1394 Cardbus (for the HD)
Second VGA monitor for more desktop space.
Windows 2000
Premiere 6
The internal HD is partitioned as follows:
First partion C: 4GB Formated to NTFS and is for the OS and Applications.
Second partition D: 7GB Formatted to NTFS and I use it as general storage
and for audio preview files
External HD is one BIG 75 GB NTFS partition and I use this for video
capture, video previews and complete timeline rendering.
I also save my projects to this disk, but also make a copy for backup on the
second partition of my internal hard disk.
VERY IMPORTANT I "force" audio previews to be rendered in order to get
flawless playback. You do this in the project settings under the audio
settings. Set to render audio previews to "if 1 layer...".
Audio rendering is very fast as the souce audio is on the external HD and
the audio previews are on the internal HD so the rendering is almost as fast
as a copy operation.
All transitions and filters must be rendered, rather time consuming, so I
use The Consolidator (www.premieretools.com) to consolidate the preview
files so as to safe guard against loosing them and reduce re rendering to a
minimum. Consolidating the project in my tests also makes the timeline
easier for Premiere to playback.
With this setup I have succesfully reached
1 hour and twenty minute timelines with endless effects and transitions.
I did a test where I batch captured 5 one hour tapes this 100+ clips on each
tape. I did one tape after the other without stopping and did not get
reported dropped frame in the whole process.
I use two firewire PCMCIA (CardBus) so as to have more headroom, the kind of
headroom you need for long form work. The total cost of the 2 cards was $
150.
Other advice is use an optical mouse, because it is more precise and makes
scrubbing smoother and more stable.
Next set your laptop up a little higher than on your table top as you should
not look at a monitor that is at the same hight as your keyboard, bad for
your neck!!!
I can also connect my external fire-wire HD to my desktop system and work on
the same projects.
I will be testing a Dockmate for my LAptop that has two built in firewire
ports. It should be like having a fire-wire card right on the pci bus an
full PCI speed and as such better than going through a CardBus (PCMCIA)
card.
Cheers
Fred
------------------
Fred
www.premieretools.com

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:10:48 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Let's not gloss over that Starband thing. < Nick?
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125150434.03367240@popserver.panix.com>
At 10:49 AM 1/25/01 -0600, you wrote:
>Yes, I did see DirectPC, but only 2-way will really serve my needs. Did
>I miss any? I hope Starband has a competitor or two out there, but I
>couldn't find any.
No, Starband is currently it. It's actually repackaged Gilat, also
available as a Compaq/RatShack deal (must buy computer) and, if I recall,
some Evil Empire MSN deal also. Buying it the Starband way makes most sense
if you already own a machine and don't want to go for these come-on,
lock-in forever deals.
Nick seems to be quite happy with it. In reality, he sees 250Kbps down, but
it sure beats analog and waiting for DSL or Cable to reach your house in
the sticks.
BS. CIC-TCP/IP
Nickster? Care to comment?

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:25:02 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Jan goes to Maui
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125151433.04d4fa50@popserver.panix.com>
At 01:00 PM 1/25/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Planning on going up to the top of
>Haleakala(sp?)to take some stills.
Go for the sunrise (must set out at Oh-Dark-Hundred, and take very warm
clothing) and take the video camera along. If you don't, you'll kill
yourself. That sunrise is the sunrise of your life. When you are up, take a
peek at the innocuous antennae ...
Some are lowly TV, radio & microwave antennae, serving the entertainment &
POTS needs of Maui, but one of those little buggers is rumored to be the
very Laser Cannon that has so much trouble hitting a flying bullet .......
> Is there snow up there?
At this time of year, probably. It's 10,000 feet. There is the occasional
blizzard up there, knocking out all communication on Maui (and providing a
window of opportunity for rogue nations to lob one our way).
Aloha, and have a good trip - Which hotel?
BS, CIC & Ex-Haole-Kamaaeina (sp?)

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:27:04 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: An ode to Bread
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125152529.04d4a040@popserver.panix.com>
At 07:32 PM 1/25/01 +0100, Martin, CIC wrote:
>okok. Since I prefer to think pratically when it comes to value of
>money, I transferred the equivalent of 33 _Dutch_ breads :)
As we said in the old hippy days (which I still remember, mustn't have done
it right):
Thanks for the bread, man.
BS. CIC

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:36:16 -0500
From: Keith [yakkei2@nyc.rr.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: Selfish desires & the evils of That Acronym
message-ID:
On 1/25/01 11:13 AM, Marc C. Hood, EdD got kicked off a skyscraper and
screamed:
> ...and I said okey dokey put me down for $100US and I challenged 100 other
> subscribers to match my donation....Once you meet my challenge, you are
> inducted into the Coveted Inner Circle (CIC) and may proudly display your
> letters in your sig (this and other prizes like tee shirts with the DeVi-L
> logo). Check your trash bin if you want the whole story....How about it
> Keith...are you CIC material?
Alas, I will not be able to join your "inner circle." I have not $100 to
donate, especially with my check from this upcoming pay period. How long
does this last?
Then again, do I really wanna help pay for a new server just so I can send
posts that have all sorts of cool little thingies in them, when others out
there may not even have the time to be downloading all that stuff?? Or did I
get that wrong and the server is designed to filter out all that stuff?
Also, I could do without the "DeVi-L" logo.
Keith

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:37:54 -0800
From: andrew kohl [kohl@golden.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Interesting times?
message-ID: [3A70B8D2.E45B2BF@golden.net]
Keith wrote:
With this kind of computing power, aesthetic
> algorithms can programmed into a computer or artificial human. What happens
> to us then?
they are cloning our genetics to computer chips as we speak...
and human clones are on the horizon..
http://interestalert.com/brand/siteia.shtml?Story=storage/remote_n/01220000aaa06695.nand&Sys=v2o&Filter=Health&Fid=HELTHSCI
What purposed would we serve? None.
we pay taxes...clones consume them...
> Another point here is why hasn't engineering taken the same leaps and bounds
> electronics has?
It has..our power monger energy brokers just havent paid
attention...look what they did to Tesla
http://www.johnsonsmith.com/cgi-bin/sgin0115.exe?GEN2=QJP&GEN3=8990&GEN4=01&UID=2001012515370370&T1=8990&FNM=01
If that happened, we'd be flying to the nearest stars by
> now in days' time, rather than the nearest planet in years'.
Some inhabitants of this universe do..but the government certainly
doesnt want us to know about it..
http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.com/
lots of neat stuff there..
cheers...andrew
>
> Keith
>
>
> ------(cut off when replying)-------------------------------
> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe: http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
>
> This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com, http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members. To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:31:30 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: DV-L Doings. Please read !!!!!!
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125152800.04d4c960@popserver.panix.com>
At 02:46 PM 1/25/01 -0500, Christopher wrote:
>I haven't used Frontier, but I skimmed their home page at
>http://frontier.userland.com/ and it looks quite interesting as a content
>management tool. I also liked the idea of their web-based management
>software, Manila, at http://manila.userland.com/. BTW, didn't Userland
>used to primarily make an interface tool for AppleScript?
Yep, their very roots.
>You might also check out Zope at http://www.zope.org/, which looks like it
>does similar content management but uses a multiplatform object-oriented
>language called Python as its base. I've used Python in the past (we're
>talking '94) and it was pretty straightforward and actually fun to develop
>in. I haven't used Zope yet, but it looks impressive and I like the
>programmatic idea of being able to write object-oriented code that can
>create dynamic, database-driven pages.
Thanks, will check out.
>On a related note, I'm wondering how BS & A (or whomever will be
>administering the website) would think about outsourcing other portions of
>the DV-L website? Not that I'm commenting on anyone's ability, but
>outsourcing may free up more time if you're short on it. For example,
>check out http://www.topica.com/ for the listserve-- I think Topica
>supports both HTML and plain-text formatting and gives you quite a bit of
>control over automatic subject, header, and footer lines.
Thanks, will investigate. We were heavy users of outsourcing services, but
we're hitting the proverbial brick wall. In order to do what we want to do,
and what you guys & gals want us to do, we must have our own machine. And
the assembled talent of this list.
BS. CIC

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:40:09 +0100
From: Robert Rouveroy [rouveroy@planet.nl]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: CCD Size and Depth of Field
message-ID:
>At 11:02 AM -0800 1/25/01, Mike Jennings wrote:
>Why is it that cameras with larger CCD's have a shorter depth of field?
===============
Because the lens has to cover a larger area, hence the 'normal' focal
length is larger, hence the d.o.f. is shorter.
At any given diaphragm stop, the focal length and d.o.f. are in
direct opposite relation.
Photography 101.
--
Robert Rouveroy csc
The Hague, Holland

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:37:35 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: FW: DV-L Doings. Please read !!!!!!
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125153346.04d4c630@popserver.panix.com>
At 03:07 PM 1/25/01 -0500, Christopher wrote:
>BTW, check out how Launchpoint.net describes their dynamic,
>multi-user-created websites at http://www.launchpoint.net/. Here's a
>quoted description:
Thanks. Is on my list, but we want to retain control. They usually corral
you in and then dump advertising all over you or limit you in some way.
After a lot of research, we found that even co-locating your own machine
limits you, unless you co-locate it down the street, or you can pay someone
there do kick it once in a while.
These cookie-cutter "instant web-based communities" ain't it.
BS

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:42:09 EST
From: ADReiff@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: News/ FAQ
message-ID: [21.68b7ce1.27a1e9a1@aol.com]
In a message dated 1/23/01 8:05:26 PM Hawaiian Standard Time,
wood0301@tc.umn.edu writes:
<< On the topic of news site/ FAQ managment, I'm still more than willing to do
so, especially if i still get the embroidered shirt with the CIC-CIO patch
on the arm. Here's the problem though... the management software .... >>
guess the software wants a patch, too.
adr
eventual CIC-EAD (Coveted Inner Circle -
Epaulet Applet Designer).

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:43:32 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Selfish desires & the evils of That Acronym
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125154030.0539eec0@popserver.panix.com>
At 03:36 PM 1/25/01 -0500, Keith wrote:
>Alas, I will not be able to join your "inner circle." I have not $100 to
>donate, especially with my check from this upcoming pay period. How long
>does this last?
Don't pay. You are exempt. This is a Democratic institution: We soak the
rich and give to the poor.
>Or did I
>get that wrong and the server is designed to filter out all that stuff?
That is the intent. But don't pay.
>Also, I could do without the "DeVi-L" logo.
DO NOT PAY!!!
BS

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:50:52 -0500
From: "Crittenden, Jan" [CRITTENDENJ@PANASONIC.COM]
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'" [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: Jan goes to Maui
message-ID:
Thanks Bertel, and I will take that EZ30 after all, along with my Nikons,
long johns and a thermos of coffee. We are at the Hilton near Lahaina.
Should be nice. Stayed at the Kapalua last time, that too was very nice.
Aloha,
Jan

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:51:22 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Links of the day
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125154542.01b01070@popserver.panix.com>
Sometimes, my Broker sends me interesting links when he runs out of
investment ideas. Recently, he's been sending many interesting links ...
http://www.slickdeals.net/
is for all of you who want the absolutely cheapest and best deals out
there. It's coupon-clip-central on-line. Free Book from Cisco. Free T-Shirt
from 3com. Dell Celeron 700 (yawn) for $399. Penny-pinchers anonymous: This
is your site (we've bookmarked it to get the most bang for your donated bucks).
I don't know why he sent me this one, but it's weird:
http://www.halfcomputer.com/
It probably is for people with half a brain.
BS

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:54:28 -0500
From: "Crittenden, Jan" [CRITTENDENJ@PANASONIC.COM]
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'" [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: Interesting times?
message-ID:
Keith wrote:
Another point here is why hasn't engineering taken the same leaps and bounds
electronics has?
It is the engineering that created the leaps and bounds in electronics
development or did I really miss the question?
Best regards,
Jan

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:56:41 -0400
From: Curran Jensen [x99gik@stfx.ca]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: SONY Service
message-ID: [3A709309.9F4E25E2@stfx.ca]
"ANYONE have some 'backdoor' URLs that get you to the higher
end
equipment and info?"
I don't know if this will help Steve
but here is a Canadian Sony DVCAM site:
http://www.sony.ca/dvcam/overview.htm
Cheers,
Curran

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:35:48 -0800
From: " Vizion Communication" [vizion@ixpres.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: DV-L Doings. Please read !!!!!!
message-ID: <000101c08190$d036cd20$95be7ed8@VIZION2000>
On the web server issue, irrespective of platform, I would strongly
recommend Apache rather than MS. You have the source code and far more
controllability on the server than ever you can achieve with MS. Also the
support levels from the Apache community is leagues better than anything
nthat MS offer.
On the OS I recommend you consider linux or FreeBSD. In my experience
FreeBSD provides heavier load capabilities and an extremely high level of
free support. Linux does not (as a server) in my opinion perform quite as
well as FreeBSD but would be a good second choice. If you really are nervous
about using Unix (Win2k is after all mainly Unix with a lot of additional
code dragging the performance down) then I dont think anyone but an out and
out Unix purist would fight youon it. My experience is that FreeBSD is the
most reliable (I have had systems up for over 18 months on FreeBSD). I find
Linux to be almost as good but NT4 did not usually stay up for more than 6
weeks.
However other peo-ple may have other experience so I suggest you canvas
opinions widely and go for whatever suits.
By the way when you have the credit card sorted count me in for $100.
The only thing I am not comfortable with is having corporate promotions on
every list post.
I feel that is a very retrograde step and I would ask if the beneficiaries
of that promotion would please reconsider the terms under which they offered
their contribution. I have no commercial interests myself which are affected
by the promotion.. It is the principle of the thing.
DE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob England" [bigwoolydog@hotmail.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: DV-L Doings. Please read !!!!!!
> > Six: Now for the big question: What software to run. Assume we have all
the
> > services of Win2K Server, SQLServer2000 etc running (I'm a fully paid
MSDN
> > Universal Subscriber, and I will NOT deduct the >$2K annual subscription
> > from the DV-L funds).
> >
> > We need:
> > - A good listserv software
> > - A good, database-driven website software.
> > - Possibly a combination of the two (currently running under the "Online
> > Community" moniker)
>
> Asked my partner who does this sort of thing for a living and he
recommended:
> Microsoft IIS 5 (Internet Information Server 5), which comes with W2K
Server as
> web server software and Allaire Cold Fusion for database-driven website
> software. This combo does a fairly heavyduty job on the Intranet where we
both
> work which is a major so-cal HMO, so it'd be up to the task.
> Also, for website design Dreamweaver is known to work very well with Cold
> Fusion, in fact Macromedia and Allaire recently agreed to merge.
>
> Bob England
>
> ------(cut off when replying)-------------------------------
> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
>
> This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com and the contributions of its
members. To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:00:27
From: "Howard Spivack" [geophyrd@hotmail.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Canon XL1 EOS Adapter VL
message-ID:
How does it do with improving depth of field?
>From: "Steven E. Fick" [sfick@worldnet.att.net>
]Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>Subject: Re: Canon XL1 EOS Adapter VL
>Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:41:44 -0500
>
>
>
>Howard Spivack wrote:
>
> > Does anyone use the above adaptor for XL1? Could you tell how worthwhile
>it
> > is, how you use it, ease or difficulty, etc?
>
>It works. One potential prob to consider: focal length. CCD and 35mm
>film are very different. A relatively wide angle 35mm slr lens will still
>be telephoto on the XL-1.
>
>If high quality telephoto is what you want, then it works just fine.
>
>--Steven
>
>
>------(cut off when replying)-------------------------------
>All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
>http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
>
>This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
>http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
>http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members. To
>contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:52:35 +0400
From: "david e. kahn" [tughollow@bigplanet.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: soft carry case for XL-1
message-ID:
on 1/7/04 4:33 AM, Guy Monty at monty@cherry.com.au wrote:
> Just wondering what XL-1 users reccomend to use as a soft carry case.
>
> Guy
>
>
> ------(cut off when replying)-------------------------------
> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
> http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
> --------------------------------------------------------------
Hello: I answered this for someone else today. I said that I use a case
for airplane tavel that is exactly the right size and is that is hard cover
and rolls which I add foam to and it fits above the seat. A second carring
case carries my computor and dvd audio system for both my video and radio
programs. I interchange mikes. I do not carry a tripod. It is two much on
plane. I have a special unit that I made for that purpose. When I travel
by car then I carry a tripod. That is only for local use. Overseas I carry
two cameras. Extra tape is carried in my cloths suit case along with a copy
of the repair manual. I always check if I can with a local TV station,
college and also check and see if their is a local repair shop in the
country I am going to. I ask if the local repair shop has a manual on my
equipment I always tray and get peoples names from these two places. Before
I go I try to contact them or when I arrive I do that quickly. I always
carry at least two tapes of my work which I have travnsvered into the local
system ie Pal or Secam. Since most of my work is with native people the
local native people are interested. International conversation and power
units are importantalong with a serge unit I have to many times charge my
batteries off a car unit so that is important. In cold weather you need to
charge off a skidoo. To edit you can get a unit from radio shack that will
run your computor. If you have cold weather use contact me and I can give
you some more suggestions. I have shot videos in extreme conditions both
cold, damp, and hot so just ask. Tughollow

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:59:48 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: It's a Blast!
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125155455.01b02540@popserver.panix.com>
Not to flog the "That Acronym" discussion any longer, but guess what just
arrived in my In-Box? My mailer (Eudora 5.0.2 Paid Mode) is pretty adept at
That Acronym, but this one gave it obvious digestive problems:
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding:
>quoted-printable
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>This is the newest, hottest way to make money on the Internet. Take a look
>at the Blast-A-Gram (the presentation only takes a minute) and click back
>to the web site
This was NOT sent by my broker as a hot investment opportunity, and from
the looks of it, the makers got blasted on too many grams.
BS. CIC

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:06:07 +0100
From: Robert Rouveroy [rouveroy@planet.nl]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Interesting times?
message-ID:
At 3:18 PM -0500 1/25/01, Keith wrote:
>Another point here is why hasn't engineering taken the same leaps and bounds
>electronics has? If that happened, we'd be flying to the nearest stars by
>now in days' time, rather than the nearest planet in years'.
===============
That's what Lene Hau
http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/featured_articles/990330tuesday.html
meant when she said that according to her math the speed of light
(186.000 miles in a vacuum) appeared not to be a constant and 'might'
therefore not limit us to our own solar system. It would need a
quantum computer to accomplish this. Warp drive?
--
Robert Rouveroy csc
The Hague, Holland

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:09:34 +0100
From: Robert Rouveroy [rouveroy@planet.nl]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Offensive advertising. An ode to Robert.
message-ID:
At 3:24 PM -0500 1/25/01, Keith wrote:
>And you most certainly never will! I don't know WHAT kind of sick stuff
>YOU'RE thinking about!
============
Even if you turned out to be Cindy Crawford, at my age I can only
THINK of preverted things!
Sigh...
--
Robert Rouveroy csc
The Hague, Holland

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:13:23 +0100
From: Robert Rouveroy [rouveroy@planet.nl]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: FCP and QT5, Radius, and others???
message-ID:
>At 11:12 AM -0600 1/25/01, Scott Sanders wrote:
>What's the best way to do video on the mac then?
============
Download QT5. Beats anything
--
Robert Rouveroy csc
The Hague, Holland

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:18:59 -1000
From: Jon Burkhart [burkhart@maui.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Canon XL1 EOS Adapter VL
message-ID: [3A709843.A783D92D@maui.net>
] Howard Spivack wrote:
>
> > Does anyone use the above adaptor for XL1? Could you tell how worthwhile it
> > is, how you use it, ease or difficulty, etc?
>
"Steven E. Fick" wrote:
> It works. One potential prob to consider: focal length. CCD and 35mm film are very different. A relatively wide angle 35mm slr lens will still be telephoto on the XL-1.
>
> If high quality telephoto is what you want, then it works just fine.
>
I use the adapter now and then when I need a really long lens. I had several Canon lenses for my still camera when I first got the XL1. For instance the 100 to 300 mm zoom lens for my still camera becomes a 720 mm to 2100 mm lens on my XL1. It's
really nice to be able to zoom out, find your subject and then zoom in tight. At 2100 mm it's hard to find your subject sometimes. As I recall focus tracking doesn't work, but what the hell, a good long shot is worth working for. A shot of the
setting sun is awesome. The sun fills about 2/3 of the screen.
Aloha,
Jon Burkhart

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:11:31 -0600
From: Lawrence Davin [lorenzod@data.net.mx]
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: flickering/editing in Premiere
message-ID: <003c01c08713$64b9cb00$c489dd94@hal>
I'm working on my first video project and I've encountered some problems.
I'm using Premiere 5.1c to edit. I recorded my material using a digital 8
camera and transferred through the 1394 port using Digital Origins Intro DV
to capture some clips, which were archived as Quicktime and Sounic Foundry
video capture to capture the other clips. These were converted into
microsoft .avi files.
I finished the project and rendered. The quicktime files now have a flicker.
Is it just a coincidence or are they not compatible in some way?
Also, what settings should I have used on the project? I used:
editing mode: Video for Windows
Timebase: 30
Time display: 30 fps non-drop
Under video settings:
Compressor: Cinepak
Frame size: 640x480
Frame rate: 30
I'm embarrased to say I don't know how all these things interrelate. I saw
that the video was captured in size 720x480. What's the significance of
capturing that size and editing with a premiere video setting that is
different?
After solving that - to transfer back to the digital camera - can I use
Premiere 5.1c or do I have to use Sonic Foundry? I assume I have to save it
as quicktime or avi, right? Would Microsoft AVI be better? What compressor
do I use? Frame size and rate? Do I compress the sound? Any special
processing I should use in exporting to movie?

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:16:53
From: "Howard Spivack" [geophyrd@hotmail.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Offensive advertising. An ode to Robert.
message-ID:
Thanks all for that link, but I have a phobia about using credits cards on
the web, so I'll send a check on Sat for $25 and a hearty thank you to all
involved.
At the risk of incurring the 'flames' from heck, I will say that I'm looking
for a few actors in NYC for a short. If anyone online is interested,
there's no $ but there is credit and points. I will also post this to the
overall list.
Thanks again and hopefully one of these days, my RT2000 will actually work.
H. Jeffrey Spivack
>From: Martin Heffels [zap@home.nl>
]Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>Subject: Re: Offensive advertising. An ode to Robert.
>Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:32:22 +0100
>
>On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:02:24 -0500, Bertel Schmitt
>[bschmitt@panix.com> wrote:
>
] >Howard et al: Handy on-line donation feature at the bottom of each
>message.
> >Where it says: To contribute money:
>http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
>
>okok. Since I prefer to think pratically when it comes to value of
>money, I transferred the equivalent of 33 _Dutch_ breads :)
>
>-martin-
>
>------(cut off when replying)-------------------------------
>All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
>http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
>
>This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
>http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
>http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members. To
>contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
>
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:18:45
From: "Howard Spivack" [geophyrd@hotmail.com]
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: Seeking actors in NYC for a short.
message-ID:
At the risk of incurring the 'flames' from heck, I will say that I'm looking
for a few actors in NYC for a short. If anyone online is interested,
there's no $ but there is credit and points.
My anticipated filming time is around 1 weekend for a short character-driven
science fiction piece whose ultimate target is festivals/Exposure.
Please respond to geophyrd@hotmail.com and put "Mine the Future" in the
subject field so I know its not spam.
Thanks,
Jeffrey
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:22:04 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Jan goes to Maui
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125160358.04cf9ec0@popserver.panix.com>
At 03:50 PM 1/25/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Thanks Bertel, and I will take that EZ30 after all, along with my Nikons,
>long johns and a thermos of coffee. We are at the Hilton near Lahaina.
>Should be nice. Stayed at the Kapalua last time, that too was very nice.
Funny. The Lahaina Hilton was my first hotel in Maui. My wife & I got
hooked on Maui there, and I got hooked on SCUBA. PADI certified by Leslie,
the toughest instructor on the island. Later, we went to more "local"
places, and finally ended up sharing a house in Hana (between Hana & 7
Pools, the white one up on the hill at "Baby Pigs Crossing") with friends.
Friends (who took most of the burden, because they are from SF and there's
a bank with a stagecoach somewhere in their bloodline ...) sold the house
last year. It was empty for a long time, because my wife's lady-friend (the
one with the stagecoach in heir veins) couldn't stand the humidity, and we
moved to the Hamptons, where we stay year round. When I go to Germany, my
wife goes to the City.
BS
PS: Skip the "Polynesian Show" they'll foist on you at the Hilton. The
breakfast was o.k., the rest of the food ... better go to Lahaina. And
check whether they still have that nasty parrot that waits until a nice
family, mother, father, blond son in blazer and slightly younger and
equally blond daughter in nice dress walks up to him for a chat. And then
suddenly, he would turn and shout, for the whole dining room to hear: "Fuck
You!!"
PPS: I know the name sounds creepy, but best seafood on the Island is at
"Mama's Fishhouse," outside of Paia towards Hana, left side of road. It's
so good that I violated my stringent rule never ever to set a foot into an
establishment that has "Mama," "Mother," or "Aunt" in its name.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:35:28 -0400
From: Curran Jensen [x99gik@stfx.ca]
To: DV List [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: DPS and DV
message-ID: [3A709C20.39D50160@stfx.ca]
Is there any DV-Lers out in there in DV land using DPS
Reality + DV?
I'd appreciate any comments.
Cheers,
Curran

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:35:10 -0700
From: Evan Donn [digitalindie@earthlink.net]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: Looking for work
message-ID:
> You mentioned craigslist. Can you give me more details?
www.craigslist.org - it's a general community site for the bay
area...listings of events, jobs, resumes, personals, etc. very simple but
always has a lot of good posts, and they have a tv/film/video jobs section
and a 1099 resume section.
Evan
--
"Literate man is not only dumb and vague in the presence of film or photo,
but he intensifies his ineptness by a defensive arrogance and condescension
to "pop kulch" and "mass entertainment"
-Marshall McLuhan

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:46:36 EST
From: Triglyph@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: CCD Size and Depth of Field
message-ID: [c7.634b266.27a1f8bc@aol.com]
It is a function of the basic equation of optics. I don't know how to
reproduce a formula in an email but you can see it in any introductory book
on optics or photography. It is true in any medium. I used to do 8x10
photographs for advertising, for example, and the depth of field there is a
tiny fraction of what it is with a 35mm still camera. In large format work
it is quite common to shoot at f/64 or f/90.
Think of the rays of light as a cone. They meet at a point inside the lens
called the Rear Nodal Point (the tip of the cone). As they leave the Rear
Nodal Point, they are starting to spread out. The farther you get away from
the nodal point, the bigger the cross section of the cone. To have a bigger
imaging plane (CCD, film or whatever) the image plane has to be (optically)
farther away, so the cone is much bigger. To keep the cone smaller you have
to stop down more.
As an example, Imax also has a very small depth of field. They are usually
doing big exteriors. If someone ever wanted to do table top closeups with an
Imax camera, it would require an enormous amount of light.
If you really want to get into it, Sidney Ray has two books on optics that
are pretty much standard references. The simple one, which is called (I
think) "Your Lens and You" (or some thing like that) is not available. The
big, thick one is "Applied Photographic Optics" but it is like the 6th grader
says in her book report: "This book told me more about penguins than I ever
wanted to know."
Having "too much" depth of field is a problem generally in video and also in
16mm. Directors are always asking for "rack focus" or "make the background
really soft" in 16mm and BetaSP and it often very difficult to give it to
them.
Blain

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:37:57 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: A citizen for a faster and better DV-L: H. Bivouac
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125163234.057810f0@popserver.panix.com>
At 09:16 PM 1/25/01 +0000, H. Jeffrey Spivack, CIC wrote:
>Thanks all for that link, but I have a phobia about using credits cards on
>the web, so I'll send a check on Sat for $25 and a hearty thank you to all
>involved.
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
Miss Spelling due to standing CIC initialization rules.
BS. CIC.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:12:39 -0800
From: "John Holmgren" [john@holmgren.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: New: News on http://www.dvcentral.org
Message-ID: <006301c0871b$ef3b94e0$3a07aace@jh570>
UltraEdit.
JH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bertel Schmitt" [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: New: News on http://www.dvcentral.org
> At 09:40 AM 1/25/01 -0700, Francois wrote:
> >Is this the first sign of the robotics revolution?
>
> Probably, but they are clearly are violating one of the laws of robotics.
> I'll check out the site. Alexei (now at DVExpo or in Utah) did it. What is
> everybody's favorite HTML editor (don't get smug on me and say "Notepad.")
?
>
> BS, CIC-GOFER
>
>
>
>
> ------(cut off when replying)-------------------------------
> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
>
> This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members. To
contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:32:50 +0100
From: Robert Rouveroy [rouveroy@planet.nl]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: CCD Size and Depth of Field
message-ID:
At 4:46 PM -0500 1/25/01, Triglyph@aol.com wrote:
>
>Having "too much" depth of field is a problem generally in video and also in
>16mm. Directors are always asking for "rack focus" or "make the background
>really soft" in 16mm and BetaSP and it often very difficult to give it to
>them.
==============
I used to shoot with an Angenieux 25mm "normal" lens at f .95 on a
16mm Beaulieu camera and I had incredible shallow focus by
candlelight or with an ND9 in sunlight. Smashing!
I wonder if some smart optics engineer like Gerd Kurz at Precision
Camera in Toronto could not wed that lens to an XL-1. It would not be
"normal" focal length I suppose, just slight telephoto (isn't 18mm
"normal" on a 1/3 inch chip?), but at least it would create more of a
film look on DV. For those with surplus 'bread', I believe Taylor
Hobson Cooke makes f .5 lenses for 16mm, I think I recall even an
18mm lens. If I'm right, it would work fantastic on an XL-1.
Maybe Scott Barrie at Scott Barrie [scottbarrie@homeroom.ca] could
inquire for you!
--
Robert Rouveroy csc
The Hague, Holland

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:33:12 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Interesting times?
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125171635.04d6a620@popserver.panix.com>
At 03:54 PM 1/25/01 -0500, Jan wrote:
>It is the engineering that created the leaps and bounds in electronics
>development or did I really miss the question?
From what my engineering friends are telling me, the leaps & bounds in
engineering are mostly based on electronics these days. Most of my
engineering contacts are in the automotive industry, and according to them:
- They couldn't improve on that internal combustion engine anymore without
the help of a bunch of Crays stacked away in a huge building
- They couldn't make cars lighter (to save gas) and safer (to save lives)
without said computers. They can now "crash" a car during the night (even a
Cray takes the night to crash a car in virtuality), fix what's broken (in
virtuality) and crash it again. And when they are done, they build the
thing and crash it again in real reality to comply with government
regulations and to check whether the Cray is doing its thing the right way.
Always crashes as prognosticated. They can now even prognosticate the
insurance rating before a single sheet of metal has been bent ...
- According to the above mentioned contacts, soon 30% of car will be
electronics. Generation shipping in 2 years will have 50 or so CPUs on
board. Generation thereafter 70-100 CPUs. In one single car.
BS. CIC-AUTO

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:44:24 EST
From: SOMAFILMS@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: FCP and internet on same computer
message-ID: [b3.6376ee8.27a20648@aol.com]
I'm running FCP on my G4 computer. I'd like to use this computer for going
online as well. Should I have my computer dedicated to FCP only or is it okay
to have both FCP and the internet.
Thanks
Fred

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:54:01 -1000
From: Jon Burkhart [burkhart@maui.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Some Good News Anyone (the VAIO angle)
message-ID: [3A70AE89.AAEB5509@maui.net]
"Marc C. Hood, EdD" wrote:
> My playback gave me a scare at first...the send signal to the PC100 and display setting caused the playback on the ThinkPad to stutter *very* badly. Then I noticed it was perfect on the PC100. When I unplugged the PC100, the DVSoft codec seems to
> have automatically kicked in and playback was perfect on the ThinkPad.
>
> It is working perfectly, although I haven't tried anything very challenging or long with the system yet.
>
Marc, does this mean you are now happy with the Thinkpad for NLE editing? Weren't you grumbling about wishing you had gotten a VAIO?
Aloha,
Jon Burkhart

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:50:36 -0800
From: "Fred Greissing" [singfred@cvhsa.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: flickering/editing in Premiere
message-ID:
Hi
You could have a problem with field order being reversed. Do you notice more
flickering when there is more movement in your subjects. If so this is
probably the case.
Some video codecs use upper field (first field) dominance and some use lower
field (second field) dominance. If you are recompressing as you are this can
become an issue. If you capture in a given format you should edit in the
same format and also do not change codecs.
Cheers
Fred
-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Davin [mailto:lorenzod@data.net.mx]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 1:12 PM
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: flickering/editing in Premiere
I'm working on my first video project and I've encountered some problems.
I'm using Premiere 5.1c to edit. I recorded my material using a digital 8
camera and transferred through the 1394 port using Digital Origins Intro DV
to capture some clips, which were archived as Quicktime and Sounic Foundry
video capture to capture the other clips. These were converted into
microsoft .avi files.
I finished the project and rendered. The quicktime files now have a flicker.
Is it just a coincidence or are they not compatible in some way?
Also, what settings should I have used on the project? I used:
editing mode: Video for Windows
Timebase: 30
Time display: 30 fps non-drop
Under video settings:
Compressor: Cinepak
Frame size: 640x480
Frame rate: 30
I'm embarrased to say I don't know how all these things interrelate. I saw
that the video was captured in size 720x480. What's the significance of
capturing that size and editing with a premiere video setting that is
different?
After solving that - to transfer back to the digital camera - can I use
Premiere 5.1c or do I have to use Sonic Foundry? I assume I have to save it
as quicktime or avi, right? Would Microsoft AVI be better? What compressor
do I use? Frame size and rate? Do I compress the sound? Any special
processing I should use in exporting to movie?
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:53:47 -0600
From: Danny Grizzle [danny@mogulhost.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: CCD Size and Depth of Field
message-ID: [B6960A9A.C98A%danny@mogulhost.com]
on 1/25/01 4:32 PM, Robert Rouveroy at rouveroy@planet.nl wrote:
> I used to shoot with an Angenieux 25mm "normal" lens at f .95 on a
> 16mm Beaulieu camera and I had incredible shallow focus by
> candlelight or with an ND9 in sunlight. Smashing!
>
> I wonder if some smart optics engineer like Gerd Kurz at Precision
> Camera in Toronto could not wed that lens to an XL-1.
This is where the optical block in video cameras complicate things. Aren't
super speeds wasted effort past a certain point?
Danny Grizzle

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:54:22 -0800
From: "a f" [dbpro68@hotmail.com]
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: Storing my VX1000.
message-ID:
I'm planning to store my VX1k without using probably for about half a
year or so. Anyone knows whether I should take the Cadium (round shape)
battery out since I won't be using it for such a long time? Thanks.
-Al
_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:30:40 -0500
From: "Mike Woodworth" [wood0301@tc.umn.edu]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: News/ FAQ
message-ID:
For those who want to check out the software I propose installing to handle
management of DeVi-L news/FAQ/ and now Personal Bios, point your broswers to
www.minneapolis.indymedia.org The software will allow you, the user, to
quickly setup and post new threads to the news section, complete with
photos/audio/video. Likewise for the about me section we'll add. the FAQ
i'm still trying to figure out an easy way to pull off. But the biggest
advantage to this setup? It's FREE! and I'm good friends with the designer,
so the modifications I'm already planning on making will be easily
implemented.
--mike (self starting CIC-CIO)
Mike Woodworth
Divergent Media Solutions, Inc.
mike@divergentmedia.com
612.327.3219
----------
>From: ADReiff@aol.com
>To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>Subject: Re: News/ FAQ
>Date: Thu, Jan 25, 2001, 3:42 PM
>
> In a message dated 1/23/01 8:05:26 PM Hawaiian Standard Time,
> wood0301@tc.umn.edu writes:
>
> << On the topic of news site/ FAQ managment, I'm still more than willing to do
> so, especially if i still get the embroidered shirt with the CIC-CIO patch
> on the arm. Here's the problem though... the management software .... >>
>
> guess the software wants a patch, too.
>
> adr
> eventual CIC-EAD (Coveted Inner Circle -
> Epaulet Applet Designer).
>
> ------(cut off when replying)-------------------------------
> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
>
> This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
> http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
> http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members. To
> contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:18:42 -0500
From: "Mike Woodworth" [wood0301@tc.umn.edu]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Robert Rouveroy, CIC-OBM.
message-ID:
that seems like a good idea. (haven't gotten the call to battle, but i'm
going to start earning my stripes as CIC-CIO.)
--Mike (presumed CIC-CIO)
Mike Woodworth
Divergent Media Solutions, Inc.
mike@divergentmedia.com
612.327.3219
----------
>From: "Christopher Van Nest" [cvannest@usa.net>
]To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org>
]Subject: RE: Robert Rouveroy, CIC-OBM.
>Date: Thu, Jan 25, 2001, 11:19 AM
>
> Wow, the things you find out about people! Robert, thanks for sharing some
> of your details. One of the interesting things about lists like this is the
> different backgrounds, histories, and responsibilities from its
> contributors/members. It's like when you speak with someone of the phone
> and build up this idea of what you imagine them to look and act like, and
> then discover that they're similar or, more likely, that they're very
> different than you imagined.
>
> But back to on-topic-- maybe the new DV-L website can give us the option of
> putting a small photo and some background information of the members? You
> know, so people don't really think I'm a busty, single, 26 year old blond.
> ;-) But seriously, it might also be useful to include what systems we're
> all using for comparison and troubleshooting, something along the lines of
> what Jan (?) started on Canopus' Raptor list. Definitely not to start
> platform or application wars, but just as a way to compare notes.
>
> Sorry, BS & Alexei, not to give you more to do! Just thought I'd mention it
> while everything is still in the developmental stage.
>
> -Christopher, CIC
> ____________________________
> Host/Producer FREESPORT-TV
> http://www.freesport-tv.com/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Rouveroy [mailto:rouveroy@planet.nl]
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 10:31 AM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Re: Robert Rouveroy, CIC-OBM.
>
>
> Lassen sie sich helfen anlass mit Sand bestreuen und den Schein wahren. You
> must be very tired organizing this whole shebang. I read faithfully these
> 100+ messages every day and yes, I'm struck often with the puberal
> discussions so I fully understand your anger and explosions. I was the
> president of the CSC for 8 years and a more unruly group of people you
> cannot imagine. I survived more or less. I'm sure you will too if you allow
> and forgive even me, at 73, my quaint (weird?) sense of humor.
>
>
> As for contributing to the DV-L, because you were so friendly to allow me
> to pay in Belgian francs (wrong currency) I would like to propose I CC you
> with money from my country of origin, Indonesia. So, you may look forward
> to 100 Roepiah, about US$ 0, 0003.1 (;^), ;^), ;^), ;^), ;^), ;^) Hey, this
> is NOT the start of a currency flame!
>
>
> But seriously, I'm a pensioner, retired so you might be satisfied with
> Canadian$$ 100.-by Mastercard.
> Where and how do I send it?
> Yours truly,
> CIC-OBM
>
> --
> Robert Rouveroy csc
> The Hague, Holland
>
>
> ------(cut off when replying)-------------------------------
> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
>
> This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
> http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
> http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members. To
> contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:12:44 -1000
From: Jon Burkhart [burkhart@maui.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Everybody: Welcome Panasonic as a Lifetime Benefactor
message-ID: [3A70B2EC.FC9CAF58@maui.net]
"Crittenden, Jan" wrote:
> So Jon, are you coming to the WEVA Town Meeting in Maui on the 6th? If so,
> maybe I can finally put a face behind the name. I do have the tough duty of
> having to fly in on Friday because of the cheaper Saturday Night Stayover
> Airfare, so I'll be there all weekend. Planning on going up to the top of
> Haleakala(sp?)to take some stills. Is there snow up there?
>
Great planning on your part.
I hadn't planned to attend WEVA's meeting. It's a great organization and I shoot weddings now and then but never joined the group.
As for Haleakala (very good on the spelling), we have an old friend visiting and plan to go up tomorrow morning for sunrise. If you plan to go up for sunrise, check the Maui News the day before for time of sunrise. You should allow about 2 1/2 hours
to get up there from the Lahaina area. Take all the warm clothes you have. It will be in the 40s up there. At sea level it's mid 80s day, upper 60s night.
No snow. It happens only rarely. But the view is breathtaking!
You know of course, all this talk of Maui is going to make Bertel homesick for Hanna. Yeah, he's over in the corner of his room whimpering right now. I can hear him from here.
Please call while you're here. We're in the book. Burkhart Productions.
Aloha,
Jon Burkhart

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:19:05 -0800
From: "George Loch" [george@halescreative.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: New: News on http://www.dvcentral.org
Message-ID: <006201c0872d$c024f720$1000000a@quest.net>
Dreamweaver for wysiwig and your favorite text editor.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bertel Schmitt" [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: New: News on http://www.dvcentral.org
> At 09:40 AM 1/25/01 -0700, Francois wrote:
> >Is this the first sign of the robotics revolution?
>
> Probably, but they are clearly are violating one of the laws of robotics.
> I'll check out the site. Alexei (now at DVExpo or in Utah) did it. What is
> everybody's favorite HTML editor (don't get smug on me and say "Notepad.")
?
>
> BS, CIC-GOFER
>
>
>
>
> ------(cut off when replying)-------------------------------
> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
>
> This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members. To
contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:15:22 EST
From: Triglyph@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: CCD Size and Depth of Field
message-ID: [c5.d639196.27a20d8a@aol.com]
In a message dated 1/25/01 2:55:19 PM, danny@mogulhost.com writes:
<< This is where the optical block in video cameras complicate things. Aren't
super speeds wasted effort past a certain point? >>
I'm not sure what you mean by an optical block. Excuse my ignorance, but
could you explain further what that is?
A faster lens is a faster lens. One issue we are encountering with HD
cameras (esp. the Sony 900) is that you can't use standard video lenses, not
enough resolution and it really shows. You need either HD lenses (higher
resolution) or film lenses. This is really the only thing about the
"Panavision" HD camera Lucas is using on the next Star Wars. It is just a
Sony 900 with a Panavision mount (also a matte box, etc.) I haven't used the
Panavision HD camera, but I have used the Bexel 24p HD camera which is fully
"tricked out" for film style working methods (follow focus, etc.) (Great
camera, an amazing range of controls over the image.)
The laws of optics don't change, no matter what you are projecting onto. The
only lens which seems to defy the laws of optics is the Frasier lens, but if
you really go into an in-depth explaination of how it works, it doesn't
really defy them at all, just makes an incredibly clever use of them.
Frasier didn't design it based on optical theory anyway (he doesn't know
any). He's a wild life photographer who expermimented a lot. Interesting
how he shoots with a Bolex and yet he came up with the most exciting and
innovative advance in lens technology in 20 years. The Frasier is often used
on video cameras and of course it does the same thing there as it does on
film camras.
Blain

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:19:55 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Mike Woodworm, CIC-CIO.
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125175941.01af7890@popserver.panix.com>
At 05:18 PM 1/25/01 -0500, Mike, CIC-CIO wrote:
>that seems like a good idea. (haven't gotten the call to battle, but i'm
>going to start earning my stripes as CIC-CIO.)
What? You haven't gotten the call to battle? What do you need, a bugler? We
try the subtle approach here (and often fail miserably), but if you want it
official, here it is:
--------------------------- DRAFT NOTICE ----------------------
Mike Woodworth
Divergent Media Solutions, Inc.
mike@divergentmedia.com
612.327.3219
is, by order of the DV-L CIC, drafted into the services of DV-L, without
pay, to serve for the good of the DV public, as
CIC-CIO
(Coveted Inner Circle - Chief Internet Officer )
Abovementioned CIC-CIO is to assume duties as described in CIC 145-45 (CIO
Subchapter).
Abovementioned CIC-CIO also is to assume additional sub-specialty-duties,
as far as the letter "I" in the "CIO" acronym allows: Intelligence,
Intransigence, Inertia, iLink, I-Heart-....... and any other
sub-specialty-duties, as per the order of the DV-L CIC, as long as these
sub-specialty-duties begin with the aforementioned letter "I".
Witnesseth, Ordered and Resolved:
BS, CIC
(Reply By Endorsement)

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:23:29
From: "Sheila House" [sheilahouse@hotmail.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Question for After Effects Experts
message-ID:
Ok, I've had my nose in books, net info and talked to people. (who all say
something different) I have tried and it still looks bad.
I want to do this: The scene opens with a tight over head shot of a baby
playing in sand. as the camera pulls up higher and shot widens we see the
baby is setting in an ashtray.
IF you can help me with this in language I can understand, please help. IF
you are in the L.A. area I will evern come to your office to see how it can
be done.
thanks
-sh-
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:10:26 +1000
From: "Eric S." [madlondo@onthenet.com.au]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: OT Photoshop transparency
message-ID:
=46rom the original captured DV frame, I've created a selection of part of=
the frame and made all the rest transparent in Photoshop.
I can send it to Premier Ok (along with mask etc) and retain the=
transparency, but am unable to do the same thing for acceptance into=
Pagemaker; there is always a white background which comes along too (even=
using Photoshop 5.5's automated export facility).
Any clues please?
eric from oz

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:27:54 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Your favorite TDA Editor
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125182512.01af79e0@popserver.panix.com>
At 02:12 PM 1/25/01 -0800, JH wrote:
>UltraEdit.
Ughh. I vaguely remember that thing. Wasn't this more like a text & Hex
editor, like Notepad meets Hedit?
Probably be better to edit TDA (That Dreaded Acronym) in Word.
BS

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:33:10 -0000
From: "Perry" [perry.mitchell@btinternet.com]
To: "DV-L" [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: Interesting times?
message-ID: <000901c08727$2d8c0800$0f2dc22b@compaq>
I think some folks dropped the ball! Mostly engineering is about cost, it's
making the same car cheaper not making a different car better. Only time
they make it better is when they either get forced by legislation or some
marketing guy PROVES that it'll sell more cars!
Around 1975 I bought my first washing machine, it had a mechanical
programmer that broke twice and was expensive to replace. A few years later
they were supposed to be obsolete, all machines would have super reliable
microprocessors, but they were expensive and only on luxury washers.
Microprocessors are now dirt cheap. Last year I bought a new washer, a
medium priced German machine, it had a mechanical processor. Go figure!!
I used to work for Sony, when I started in 1980 a 19 inch colour TV cost
about 2 weeks wages and weighed about 50lb. When I finished in 1998 they
cost a few days wages and weighed half as much. Picture looked pretty much
the same!
Actually, for a real advance in engineering you could do a lot worst than
look backwards at the subject of this list! When I started in 1969, Ampex
had a monopoly of colour recording with a machine that cost about the same
as a country estate and was the size of a large wardrobe. Last time I looked
you could get superior recording performance hidden away in the back of a
tiny camera that costs less than a decent sofa.
Interesting times indeed!
Perry Mitchell
Video Facilities
http://www.perrybits.co.uk/

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:34:06 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Your favorite TDA Editor
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125182811.02768910@popserver.panix.com>
At 04:19 PM 1/25/01 -0800, George wrote:
>Dreamweaver for wysiwig and your favorite text editor.
Dreamweaver, really? I'm currently on the freebie tryout of GoLive. Sorry,
ADBE, it doesn't have an exhilarating effect on me. Should I Dreamweaver?
BS. CIC-TDA-of-the-day.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:35:17 -0600
From: Danny Grizzle [danny@mogulhost.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: CCD Size and Depth of Field
message-ID: [B6961455.C99B%danny@mogulhost.com]
on 1/25/01 5:15 PM, Triglyph@aol.com at Triglyph@aol.com wrote:
> I'm not sure what you mean by an optical block. Excuse my ignorance, but
> could you explain further what that is?
The prism assembly / beam splitter for the 3 CCDs / RGB.
My understanding is the throat of the optical block acts as a defacto iris
which effectively limits the maximum available t-stop.
No doubt Panavision and others with similar resources and expertise can
re-engineer the entire optical path, and do so with less regard for overall
camera size, etc. My comments concern off the shelf video cameras and
standard-size prism assemblies. (This is a DV list, after all...)
Thanks,
Danny Grizzle

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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:43:10 +0100
From: Robert Rouveroy [rouveroy@planet.nl]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: FCP and internet on same computer
message-ID:
At 5:44 PM -0500 1/25/01, SOMAFILMS@aol.com wrote:
>I'm running FCP on my G4 computer. I'd like to use this computer for going
>online as well. Should I have my computer dedicated to FCP only or is it okay
>to have both FCP and the internet.
===============
It is a good idea to divvy up your HD in partitions (Mac HFS+) and
Install a separate system and Internet goodies on one of them.
Unfortunately, segmenting/partitioning your HD wipes out everything
you have. You would have to Install FCP and everything else.
It is always the Extensions that might cause trouble. Maybe OS X will
cure that. In the meantime, FCP will work considerably smoother (I
find) with OS 9.1 Upgrade, a freebie download from Apple.
--
Robert Rouveroy csc
The Hague, Holland

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:46:05 EST
From: Triglyph@aol.com
To: danny@mogulhost.com, DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: CCD Size and Depth of Field
message-ID: [b7.adf9ea4.27a214bd@aol.com]
Thanks for the explaination, but I still wonder if its a limitation. More
light going in is more light coming out.
I understand what you say about it being a DV list, but does that mean that
other types of video cameras shouldn't be discussed? If that is the
intention, I will respect that in the future.
B

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:47:04 -0600
From: Chris Novy [chris@siu.edu]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: FCP and internet on same computer
message-ID: <5.1.0.7.0.20010125174405.009fc6e0@mailhost.lib.siu.edu>
SOMAFILMS@aol.com wrote...
>I'm running FCP on my G4 computer. I'd like to use this computer for
>going online as well. Should I have my computer dedicated to FCP only or
>is it okay to have both FCP and the internet.
You can use both but I've found it's best to turn off your network access
when doing capturing or print-to-video. I've created a super clean,
minimal extension, profile that I boot up when I'm doing serious FCP
work. During basic editing, however, I've never experienced any problems
having both operating simultaneously.
I'm using a G4 450x2 with 640MB of RAM.
..Chris..

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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:49:06 +0100
From: Robert Rouveroy [rouveroy@planet.nl]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: CCD Size and Depth of Field
message-ID:
At 4:53 PM -0600 1/25/01, Danny Grizzle wrote:
>This is where the optical block in video cameras complicate things. Aren't
>super speeds wasted effort past a certain point?
============
That's what I want to find out. You're right. Those prisms will
probably negate my brilliant concept. I'm sure Canon must have
thought about it too!
--
Robert Rouveroy csc
The Hague, Holland

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:51:22 -0000
From: "Perry" [perry.mitchell@btinternet.com]
To: "DV-L" [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: CCD Size and Depth of Field
message-ID: <000a01c08729$b8ac91a0$0f2dc22b@compaq>
Danny Grizzle posted:
>This is where the optical block in video cameras complicate things. Aren't
super speeds wasted effort past a certain point?<
That's true. The colour splitter block has an aperture of around f1.6
limited by pure physics. This dictates the maximum aperture of the optical
path so a faster lens is wasted.
That is one of the reasons that a single chip camera has always interested
me - no splitter block so you could use as fast a lens as you like!
Perry Mitchell
Video Facilities
http://www.perrybits.co.uk/

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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:45:35 -0800
From: "Richard Taylor" [exile@21stcentury.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: flickering/editing in Premiere
message-ID: <7745072BE8F.AAA88E@mail1.21stcentury.net>
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Hi Fred Greissing, you wrote on 1/25/2001 2:50:36 PM:
>Hi
>
>You could have a problem with field order being reversed. Do you notice
>more
>flickering when there is more movement in your subjects. If so this is
>probably the case.
>Some video codecs use upper field (first field) dominance and some use
>lower
>field (second field) dominance. If you are recompressing as you are this
>can
>become an issue. If you capture in a given format you should edit in the
>same format and also do not change codecs.
>
>Cheers
>Fred
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Lawrence Davin [mailto:lorenzod@data.net.mx]
>Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 1:12 PM
>To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
>Subject: flickering/editing in Premiere
>
>
>I'm working on my first video project and I've encountered some problems.
>I'm using Premiere 5.1c to edit. I recorded my material using a digital 8
>camera and transferred through the 1394 port using Digital Origins Intro DV
>to capture some clips, which were archived as Quicktime and Sounic Foundry
>video capture to capture the other clips. These were converted into
>microsoft .avi files.
>I finished the project and rendered. The quicktime files now have a
>flicker.
>Is it just a coincidence or are they not compatible in some way=3F
>Also, what settings should I have used on the project=3F I used:
>editing mode: Video for Windows
>Timebase: 30
>Time display: 30 fps non-drop
>Under video settings:
>Compressor: Cinepak
>Frame size: 640x480
>Frame rate: 30
>I'm embarrased to say I don't know how all these things interrelate. I saw
>that the video was captured in size 720x480. What's the significance of
>capturing that size and editing with a premiere video setting that is
>different=3F
>After solving that - to transfer back to the digital camera - can I use
>Premiere 5.1c or do I have to use Sonic Foundry=3F I assume I have to save
it
>as quicktime or avi, right=3F Would Microsoft AVI be better=3F What
compressor
>do I use=3F Frame size and rate=3F Do I compress the sound=3F Any special
>processing I should use in exporting to movie=3F
Try clip/video/field options
http://www.freespeech.org/apophysis/
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:12:04 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Of washers and automobiles
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125183640.03317bb0@popserver.panix.com>
At 11:33 PM 1/25/01 +0000, Perry wrote:
>I think some folks dropped the ball! Mostly engineering is about cost, it's
>making the same car cheaper not making a different car better. Only time
>they make it better is when they either get forced by legislation or some
>marketing guy PROVES that it'll sell more cars!
A marketing guy can't (and, if he's smart won't) prove anything (at least
not before the fact - they are good at proving it after the fact). And if a
marketing guy proves before the fact that a gadget sells more cars, said
gadget should better be immediately removed.
Honestly, the trick today is to make a better car which people can still
afford and that's made well enough so that warranty service doesn't kill
the manufacturer. Tall order. Needs big computers. Lots of money. One of
the reasons that currently there are more car companies changing hands than
cars .... With you sitting in the UK, I think it's prudent to leave this
topic immediately and to go to the interesting topic of .....
... washing machines. > Last year I bought a new washer, a medium priced
German machine, it had a mechanical processor. Go figure!!<
Medium priced, that probably was a Bauknecht or a Siemens. (The pricey one
would be a Miele, and the cheaper ones would be Italian.) Actually, both
were heavy into microprocessors in the past and some machines had more
buttons than an early IBM 360. They literally had hundreds of programs.
Special wedding gown cycle, special program for undies with skid-marks, you
name it. Some even had - in the wild 80's - programming cards which you
dropped into the machine. People lost cards immediately. Big trouble was,
nobody talked to the users, who were completely flummoxed by all the
options. Nobody uses more than 3 different cycles.
Easy to do with a mechanical processor, probably more reliable. US
companies did their research, never bothered with the buttons & programs
nobody wants, and they use mechanical processors to this day. My 1981
vintage Maytags (look like they were designed in the 50's - probably were)
are still going strong, never needed the help of the bored man.
If the Germans (I haven't checked) replaced button&cycle mania with a
simple knob and a simple mechanical device, I applaud their (late) wisdom.
How un-German of them. Probably have been taken over by an US company while
nobody was washing.
And now, back to DV!
BS. CIC-IPA (Industrial Psychology Analyst)

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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 01:27:15 +0100
From: mdeijns@tmse.nl
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org (DV-L)
Subject: mathieu deijns is out of the office.
message-ID: [412569E0.0001838B.00@tmse-n01.tmse.nl]
I will be out of the office from 25-01-2001 until 05-02-2001.
Please leave message at the helpdesk (+31 79 3689912) or contact H. Heideman for
urgent matters

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:21:01 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Everybody: Welcome Panasonic as a Lifetime Benefactor
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125191537.033c9420@popserver.panix.com>
At 01:12 PM 1/25/01 -1000, Jon wrote:
>No snow. It happens only rarely.
Remember when you guys down in Kahuluhi and Kihei had no radio and only
cable TV, because all the power lines were down on Haleakala and the
transmitters went down with them for 3 days?
>You know of course, all this talk of Maui is going to make Bertel homesick
>for Hanna.
Hana. One N. Hawaiian for "work." Which is one of the typical Hana moves.
They call the town "work" so nobody has to . ...
> Yeah, he's over in the corner of his room whimpering right now. I can
> hear him from here.
He is. I want to go back to Auntie Caroline and talk story.
BS

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:27:43 -0700
From: TM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: CCD Size and Depth of Field
message-ID: [3A70B66A.3360@netidea.com]
Which is ......... ?
Patrick Chudleigh
Triglyph@aol.com wrote:
>
>The
> only lens which seems to defy the laws of optics is the Frasier lens, but if
> you really go into an in-depth explaination of how it works, it doesn't
> really defy them at all, just makes an incredibly clever use of them.
> Frasier didn't design it based on optical theory anyway (he doesn't know
> any). He's a wild life photographer who expermimented a lot. Interesting
> how he shoots with a Bolex and yet he came up with the most exciting and
> innovative advance in lens technology in 20 years. The Frasier is often used
> on video cameras and of course it does the same thing there as it does on
> film camras.
>
> Blain

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:28:18 -0800
From: "John Holmgren" [john@holmgren.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: Your favorite TDA Editor
message-ID: <002701c0872e$e2a23320$4506aace@jh570>
UE has nice features, like syntax highlighting. Or, column editing,
if you gotta do some mainframe stuff and misplaced SPF. What
you need, if you're not neat, is link-checking, which any IDE
ought to do well. I've used FrontPage and others for link-checking,
but most of them make poor links when used for authoring, so
I'm resigned to coding my own and hand-checking. I know far
too much about - I'm going to do a
mind-meld with my cat and transfer to
him and I'll curl up on the sofa and nap.
J
> At 02:12 PM 1/25/01 -0800, JH wrote:
> >UltraEdit.
>
> Ughh. I vaguely remember that thing. Wasn't this more like a text & Hex
> editor, like Notepad meets Hedit?
>
> Probably be better to edit TDA (That Dreaded Acronym) in Word.
>
> BS

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:35:22 -0500
From: "Crittenden, Jan" [CRITTENDENJ@PANASONIC.COM]
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'" [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: Interesting times?
message-ID:
But now I live in the engineering section of Panasonic Broadcast & TV
Systems. and it is the engineering groups with this the organizations that
figure out how to make say a DVCPRO machine work over 1394 or how the DV
Algorithm was birthed in the first place, or how to make the D-5 HD machine
do 24 frame recording, or 23.98 or 60 frame or 30 interlace 1080i or plain
old vanilla D-5. This is what I consider engineering.
My brother who is a Water Systems Civil Engineer. He too is of a creative
sort and also invents things. As an example of one of his inventions, Amway
has a water filtration unit that works under the counter for drinking water,
my brother has the patent on the filter that is used in that filter, and
accordingly will be filthy rich before I even get my car paid for.
But my point was that engineering is a creative process especially when it
comes to the engineers that I am routinely involved with. As such if it
wasn't for the engineers thinking that they could do something different
with the new chip sets or new conductors or whatever, all we would have is
new stuff that does nothing for anyone but then we may not even have the new
stuff as there would be no motivation to do it, as in who would and why
would it ever be used. Yes, in many cases it is linked to a capitalist
gain, but since when is making money a sin or at the very least wrong. And
that doesn't make it any less creative of a process.
My.02
Jan

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:37:36 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Outstanding, CIC-CIO !!!!!!
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125193046.033657c0@popserver.panix.com>
At 05:30 PM 1/25/01 -0500, CIC-CIO wrote:
>For those who want to check out the software I propose installing to handle
>management of DeVi-L news/FAQ/ and now Personal Bios, point your broswers to
>www.minneapolis.indymedia.org The software will allow you, the user, to
>quickly setup and post new threads to the news section, complete with
>photos/audio/video. Likewise for the about me section we'll add. the FAQ
>i'm still trying to figure out an easy way to pull off. But the biggest
>advantage to this setup? It's FREE! and I'm good friends with the designer,
>so the modifications I'm already planning on making will be easily
>implemented.
Outstanding, CIC-CIO, Sir!!! This is EXACTLY what we want! Outstanding!
Here, have that cigar (Cuban - I liberated it - hehe) and come to my tent
for some of that medicinal bourbon. I take it, it's all database driven?
Hip (-flask) Hip (-flask) Hooooray!!!!!
BS. CIC.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:58:13 -0800
From: Thomas Luehrsen [thomas@elmwoodstudios.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: FCP & underexposed footage
message-ID: [B6960BA5.8127%thomas@elmwoodstudios.com]
What is the best way to brighten up underexposed footage in FCP?
In Premiere, I would use the Photoshop-style Levels filter (with the
histogram).
Thanks,
Thomas Luehrsen

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:48:16 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: CCD Size and Depth of Field
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125194051.04e24410@popserver.panix.com>
At 06:46 PM 1/25/01 -0500, Triglyph wrote:
>I understand what you say about it being a DV list, but does that mean that
>other types of video cameras shouldn't be discussed? If that is the
>intention, I will respect that in the future.
Please! Your on-line optics course is highly educational. I understand
maybe 10%. My level is "Think of the rays of light as a cone. They meet at
a point inside the lens
called the Rear Nodal Point (the tip of the cone). As they leave the Rear
Nodal Point, they are starting to spread out." After that: MEGO. My Eyes
Glaze Over. But please, don't let this stop you. We all need to know more
about this, and if it ain't in DV cams today, then maybe tomorrow.
And as long as Perry & I discuss washers & automobiles, you can even drift
to the finer points of extra-terrestrial telescopes. Sorry to interrupt.
Please go on.
BS

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:49:56 EST
From: ScubaViz@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Ram Testing software
message-ID: [86.60993b2.27a223b4@aol.com]
If you just want to know how much is there, use the System Profiler which is
in the Apple menu.
Don Stark, CIC

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:21:47 -0800
From: "George Loch" [george@halescreative.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: Your favorite TDA Editor
message-ID: <00a001c0873e$bc42f240$1000000a@quest.net>
For "visual" dreamweaver works well. I use a combo of both
G
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bertel Schmitt" [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 3:34 PM
Subject: Your favorite TDA Editor
> At 04:19 PM 1/25/01 -0800, George wrote:
> >Dreamweaver for wysiwig and your favorite text editor.
>
> Dreamweaver, really? I'm currently on the freebie tryout of GoLive. Sorry,
> ADBE, it doesn't have an exhilarating effect on me. Should I Dreamweaver?
>
> BS. CIC-TDA-of-the-day.
>
>
> ------(cut off when replying)-------------------------------
> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
>
> This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members. To
contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>

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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:31:14 +0800
From: "Randy Quimpo" [randy_quimpo@ltpi.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: Some Good News Anyone (the VAIO angle)
message-ID: <004801c08737$c1e5fc80$c81410ac@rquimpo>
Aloha, Jon
I don't know if it was Mark that was grumbling that he should have got a
VAIO, but I am surely grumbling that I should have got something OTHER THAN
A VAIO (Powerbook with FCP sounds good to me now). Seems like everyone else
on this list is in laptop editing heaven now, except me of course.
My solution to stuttering? Shut off everything neat on the VAIO (that's
desktop themes, etc)...then learn to accept the occasional stuttering that I
get while editing. AT LEAST the stuff I output plays back perfectly, so my
clients don't know I'm suffering.
regards
Randy Quimpo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Burkhart" [burkhart@maui.net]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: Some Good News Anyone (the VAIO angle)
>
>
> "Marc C. Hood, EdD" wrote:
>
> > My playback gave me a scare at first...the send signal to the PC100 and
display setting caused the playback on the ThinkPad to stutter *very* badly.
Then I noticed it was perfect on the PC100. When I unplugged the PC100, the
DVSoft codec seems to
> > have automatically kicked in and playback was perfect on the ThinkPad.
> >
> > It is working perfectly, although I haven't tried anything very
challenging or long with the system yet.
> >
>
> Marc, does this mean you are now happy with the Thinkpad for NLE editing?
Weren't you grumbling about wishing you had gotten a VAIO?
>
> Aloha,
> Jon Burkhart
>
>
> ------(cut off when replying)-------------------------------
> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
>
> This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members. To
contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:49:05 -0800
From: "Richard Taylor" [exile@21stcentury.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Question for After Effects Experts
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Hi Sheila House, you wrote on 1/25/2001 3:23:29 PM:
>Ok, I've had my nose in books, net info and talked to people. (who all say
>something different) I have tried and it still looks bad.
>I want to do this: The scene opens with a tight over head shot of a baby
>playing in sand. as the camera pulls up higher and shot widens we see the
>baby is setting in an ashtray.
>IF you can help me with this in language I can understand, please help. IF
>you are in the L.A. area I will evern come to your office to see how it
>can be done.
Easily. Do a high res version of the image {if it's video... as high
as you can get it.} enlarge the image so that the baby's head is
appropriately sized, click on the little arrow next to the layer name
and open the layers properties, click on the arrow next to transform,
select scale and click on the arrow next to it... go to the point on the
time line where you want the baby to appear fully and size the graphic
appropriately.
Render and serve.
You may want to make adjustments to other properties as well.
http://www.freespeech.org/apophysis/
-------Phoenix-Boundary-07081998---

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:37:19 EST
From: Triglyph@aol.com
To: danny@mogulhost.com, DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: CCD Size and Depth of Field
message-ID: [d9.f5e66fe.27a22ecf@aol.com]
<
been thrown off the list long ago. >>
Thanks, I understand your point. In fact I'm very much in favor of
restricting discussion on mailing lists like this. People wandering all over
the place on topics or just turning it into a personal chat room is what
kills lists like this: I've seen a couple of really good lists die in just
this way.
I only brought it up because I thought it illustrated an important point in
optics. Below is the reply I sent to Perry privately. I could be totally
crazy but I just wrote a chapter on optics for my book and I'm probably
deeper into than I ever wanted to be. I may be totally off on this, and I'm
certainly no expert on the engineering aspects of video cameras, but here's
what I think:
<< That's true. The colour splitter block has an aperture of around f1.6
limited by pure physics. This dictates the maximum aperture of the optical
path so a faster lens is wasted.
That is one of the reasons that a single chip camera has always interested
me - no splitter block so you could use as fast a lens as you like! >>
I understand your point about the limits of the optics inside the camera, but
isn't that really a separate issue from what goes on "outside" the camera,
i.e. the lens. I could be totally crazy about this, but I think of it as two
separate things.
Lenses can have more than one stop: optically they have the aperture stop
(iris), but they also have something called the field stop. Externally, you
can use something called a Waterhouse stop, which is actually outside the
lens. (They were used with old large format lenses that did not have an
internal iris).
I think of it like this: imagine we had two lenses in line (same image going
through one and then through the other). Say they are both f/4 lenses. That
means that of the light coming in the front of the first lens 1/4 of it is
coming out the back: this is what is passed on to the back lens.
If the front lens was an f/1 (theoretically passing all of the light to the
back lens) you get more total light coming out the back of the whole thing.
Because one part of the system is f/1.6 doesn't mean that there is a
limitation on the whole system. If you send more light INTO an f/1.6 optic
you still get more out OUT of it.
And anyway, f/1.6 is still pretty fast, I'm actually surpized that more light
isn't lost in there. Superspeeds are only f/1.3.
Thanks,
Blain

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:04:29 -0800
From: "Mitch Rubman" [mitch@clipclick.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: the top
message-ID: <002601c0873c$519c28f0$1400a8c0@mitch>
And when you're climbing to the top... remember to go slow, the air is much
thinner.
I raced up, only to find myself out of breath next to the sign that said "go
slow" :)
Have a great trip
mitch
www.clipclick.com
PS Let us know if you have any footage that you want to sell.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bertel Schmitt [mailto:bschmitt@panix.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 12:25 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Jan goes to Maui
At 01:00 PM 1/25/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Planning on going up to the top of
>Haleakala(sp?)to take some stills.
Go for the sunrise (must set out at Oh-Dark-Hundred, and take very warm
clothing) and take the video camera along. If you don't, you'll kill
yourself. That sunrise is the sunrise of your life. When you are up, take a
peek at the innocuous antennae ...
Some are lowly TV, radio & microwave antennae, serving the entertainment &
POTS needs of Maui, but one of those little buggers is rumored to be the
very Laser Cannon that has so much trouble hitting a flying bullet .......
> Is there snow up there?
At this time of year, probably. It's 10,000 feet. There is the occasional
blizzard up there, knocking out all communication on Maui (and providing a
window of opportunity for rogue nations to lob one our way).
Aloha, and have a good trip - Which hotel?
BS, CIC & Ex-Haole-Kamaaeina (sp?)
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:23:00 -0700
From: TM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: CCD Size and Depth of Field
message-ID: [3A70D172.6B30@netidea.com]
As an addendum to this treatise it should be remembered that the
coatings on the lens, in day-to-day working reality, is as important as
the overall lens design itself.
If anyone has ever taken a high quality optic (Leica binoculars come to
mind) out after sunset, dusk being a good choice, you can actually see
an improvement in light transmission over the naked eye. Yup, things
look brighter through the glass, more daylight if you will.
......Just a tiny digression from this fascinating topic.
Patrick Chudleigh
Summerville Studios
Triglyph@aol.com wrote:
>
> <
> been thrown off the list long ago. >>
>
> Thanks, I understand your point. In fact I'm very much in favor of
> restricting discussion on mailing lists like this. People wandering all over
> the place on topics or just turning it into a personal chat room is what
> kills lists like this: I've seen a couple of really good lists die in just
> this way.
>
> I only brought it up because I thought it illustrated an important point in
> optics. Below is the reply I sent to Perry privately. I could be totally
> crazy but I just wrote a chapter on optics for my book and I'm probably
> deeper into than I ever wanted to be. I may be totally off on this, and I'm
> certainly no expert on the engineering aspects of video cameras, but here's
> what I think:
>
> << That's true. The colour splitter block has an aperture of around f1.6
>
> limited by pure physics. This dictates the maximum aperture of the optical
>
> path so a faster lens is wasted.
>
> That is one of the reasons that a single chip camera has always interested
>
> me - no splitter block so you could use as fast a lens as you like! >>
>
> I understand your point about the limits of the optics inside the camera, but
> isn't that really a separate issue from what goes on "outside" the camera,
> i.e. the lens. I could be totally crazy about this, but I think of it as two
> separate things.
>
> Lenses can have more than one stop: optically they have the aperture stop
> (iris), but they also have something called the field stop. Externally, you
> can use something called a Waterhouse stop, which is actually outside the
> lens. (They were used with old large format lenses that did not have an
> internal iris).
>
> I think of it like this: imagine we had two lenses in line (same image going
> through one and then through the other). Say they are both f/4 lenses. That
> means that of the light coming in the front of the first lens 1/4 of it is
> coming out the back: this is what is passed on to the back lens.
>
> If the front lens was an f/1 (theoretically passing all of the light to the
> back lens) you get more total light coming out the back of the whole thing.
> Because one part of the system is f/1.6 doesn't mean that there is a
> limitation on the whole system. If you send more light INTO an f/1.6 optic
> you still get more out OUT of it.
>
> And anyway, f/1.6 is still pretty fast, I'm actually surpized that more light
> isn't lost in there. Superspeeds are only f/1.3.
>
> Thanks,
> Blain

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:27:15 -0500
From: Marty Howe [martyhowe@appleisp.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Sell me RAM for my 9500?
message-ID: [3A70E082.FB10B8EF@appleisp.net]
Hi everybody,
I sold my G3 in anticipation of buying a new G4 last week. Then came the news of
a 7 week wait for the new apple G4 733. So I am using my old 9500 for a few
weeks. The pinch is that it only has 80 megs of RAM which is very restrictive.
So I am looking to buy some RAM (DIMMS) for the 9500 to hold me over for a few
weeks. If any of you have some DIMMS lying around that you would like to sell,
please email me.
Thanks
Marty Howe
martyhowe@appleisp.net

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:30:58 +0400
From: "david e. kahn" [tughollow@bigplanet.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: CCD Size and Depth of Field
message-ID:
on 1/26/01 2:53 AM, Danny Grizzle at danny@mogulhost.com wrote:
> on 1/25/01 4:32 PM, Robert Rouveroy at rouveroy@planet.nl wrote:
>
>> I used to shoot with an Angenieux 25mm "normal" lens at f .95 on a
>> 16mm Beaulieu camera and I had incredible shallow focus by
>> candlelight or with an ND9 in sunlight. Smashing!
>>
>> I wonder if some smart optics engineer like Gerd Kurz at Precision
>> Camera in Toronto could not wed that lens to an XL-1.
>
> This is where the optical block in video cameras complicate things. Aren't
> super speeds wasted effort past a certain point?
>
> Danny Grizzle
>
>
>
> ------(cut off when replying)-------------------------------
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>
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>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
Hi: Hope you check out the lense article in TV Technology January 24. Let
me hear what you think about the lenses for the XL-1 that are discussed.
Tughollow

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:18:26 +0400
From: "david e. kahn" [tughollow@bigplanet.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Three articles in the January 24 TV Technology magazine
message-ID:
Hello: Lately their have been some question about the lenses of the XL-1
and also questions on where someone could read about this camera. In this
weeks issue of the magazine on camera accessories Mark Timney who can be
reached at mtimney@chestire.net discusses the lense & accessories for the
Cannon XL1. The article is worth reading. Also in this issue is a
discussion of the Azden SGM-2x Shotgun Microphone with a list price of
300.00 along with two article about camcorder's. One about Sony's new
DSR-250 DVCam Camcorder with a list price of 5900 a much more expensive
Hatachi Z3000W Digital Camera. This is an excellent magazine to sell and to
find used equipment. I have sold a couple of items in this publication and
have purchased some. Would like to know if anyone is using this New Sony
camera and also the Azden Mic and their oppion of these two items.
Tughollow

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:14:56 -0800
From: " Vizion Communication" [vizion@ixpres.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: DV-L on another Service (HTML)
message-ID: <019801c081c6$00b036f0$c1b87ed8@VIZION2000>
I thought this discussion - pro/cons HTML was agreed to be over.
It is just re-hashing what has been decided .
There are different opinions on this topic - I felt the list police response
finished up giving respect to all points of view - even if some do not agree
with the decision I suggest we respect it.
DE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Haynie" [dhaynie@jersey.net]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: DV-L on another Service (HTML)
>
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:54:55 -0600, "Marc C. Hood, EdD" [mhood@adent.com]
jammed all night, and by sunrise was heard saying:
>
> > 1. There is no rule against posting in HTML.
>
> And yet, most people know it's at best rude to post HTML in a mailing
> list.
>
> > 2. HTML is the standard language for WWW publications. If WebTV can't
deal with
> > HTML, WebTV owes you some changes.
>
> Email isn't Web.
>
> There are plenty of reasons not to post in HTML. It adds nothing to the
> discussions. It does add additional text, which means additional
> download time and potentially cost (keep in mind, most lists are
> international, and in most other countries, you pay for phone calls by
> the minute, even local ones).
>
> > 5. Newbies (and others who simply want to) don't post in HTML just to
make you
> > mad...it's integrated into the new browsers (for what I personally think
are some
> > really good reasons).
>
> Some email clients (the proper term for this) do allow HTML posting, but
> also allow it to be turned off.
>
> > 6. The "change" has already happened...It's integrated into
the new
> > browsers. Surely you don't believe a person who posts in
HTML is less
> > intelligent or makes less of a contribution or is a lesser List citizen.
>
> They're the electronic equivalent of a rube -- elbows on the table, not
> saying "please", butting in line, etc. Nothing fatal, but undeniably
> rude.
>
> Change for change's sake is foolish. I _could_ start posting in Java,
> but would anyone read it?
>
> --
> Dave Haynie | V.P. Technology | http://www.metabox.de
> dhaynie@jersey.net | Met@box AG | http://www.metaboxusa.com
>
>
> ------(cut off when replying)-------------------------------
> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
>
> This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com and the contributions of its
members. To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:19:57 -0800
From: "Fujii, Takashi" [Takashi.Fujii@transamerica.com]
To: "'DV-L@DVCentral.org'" [DV-L@DVCentral.org]
Subject: G4 PowerBook: Run Hot?
message-ID:
I would like to know if anyone had tried out the new G4 PowerBook yet. I
read a review somewhere stating that the one PowerBook that they had was
runninng hot. Has anyone experienced this? Thank you.
Takashi Fujii

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:35:53 -0800
From: Denise Ohio [ohio@holytoledo.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Projected sales figures?
message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010125171620.009e8250@pop.greenapple.com>
Hey, cats, chicks, CICs, DeV-iLs, etc....
Personally, I've always said "DV-L" like "Deevil," rhymes with "boll
weevil." Like the song, "The boll weevil is a little black bug..." This
post, however, is not about that. This is actually related to DV. I'm as
stunned as you are.
I'm wondering if anybody has any info regarding projected sales figures for
DV camcorders, NLE software, and hardware for consumer/prosumer use over
the next 1-5 years. I was approached to write a book about DV moviemaking
from development to delivery, and while I wowed 'em with my charm and
incredible good looks, they're nervous about the potential market for such
a book.
I did use some fun facts from some data gathering companies, but could find
nothing specific to DV tools and projected sales. If you have any solid
numbers regarding this you'd care to share, I'd greatly appreciate it.
Please email me directly at ohio@holytoledo.com.
Ohio

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:05:38 -0500
From: John Jackman [illumination@compuserve.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: talent release form
message-ID: [3A70F790.7154B283@compuserve.com]
Stephan wrote:
> Can anyone point me in the right direction to find a talent release
form?
We have versions for adults and minors at:
http://www.greatdv.com/business/business.htm
Hope this helps!
John Jackman

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:52:33 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: VAIO phone home. That's a bad Sony, bad, bad, bad.
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125215850.03fe90e0@popserver.panix.com>
My new iLink equipped, Crusoe-powered VAIO PCG-C1VN establishes an
internet connection with 129.33.31.127 on startup, and at regular intervals
during use. The calling program is TGFIX.EXE, and it uses the innocuous
port 80 to communicate. This usually lets it to go through any firewall,
because port 80 is WWW. In the trade, such sneaky behavior is called "phone
home" : A program loaded during startup calls out behind your back and
exchanges unspecified information with the homebase.
Since the callee is an executable, and the OS is Windows ME, TGFIX.EXE can
do whatever it wants. It can rifle through my data, sniff on my ports,
check out the pornographic pictures in My Images, or give Sony a preview of
my secret mail with Sony competitors, would I use the machine with that
sorry little executable (what an apt name!) for my correspondence.
Paranoia: It could even take a picture of me with the camera on top. What's
worse, it could take a picture showing the unkempt state of my room. I'm
not saying it's doing that. I have no idea what in tic-tac-toe's name it's
doing. And most VAIO owners won't even notice that it's there.
If TGFIX.EXE would have been placed on your machine by a hacker, it would
probably be called a trojan. And the hacker would have the feds looking for
him. TGFIX.EXE has been placed on my computer by Sony Corp. without warning
me (at least not in a form recognizable by me). They probably will call the
trojan a "customer support application." Or, in the new lingo "A CRM
Object." My little computer was plastered with cute stickers and FCC
warnings. Nothing mentions TGFIX.EXE.
According to register.com, 129.33.31.127 belongs to
Sony Electronics, Inc.
Ted Asocks
3300 Zanker Road, MD:SJ2D2
San Jose, CA 95134-1901
US
Phone: 408-955-5556
Fax..: 408-955-5950
Someone should tell Sony that it is considered immensely uncool to place
such "phone home" features on computers they sell without full and easily
recognizable disclosure to their customers. Microsoft got into very hot
water when their Online Update feature uploaded computer data to MS while
you knowingly used their feature.
Sony's "feature" works complete behind your back. If you won't have a
sniffer on your machine, you wouldn't even know that it's there. I'm too
lazy to try to find out what in the DeVi-L's name TGFIX.EXE is talking
about when connected to homebase 129.33.31.127 at 3500 Zanker Road. I
simply blocked the bugger. Wouldn't be amazed if someone tells me that this
voids the warranty or other important organs.
Ted Asocks, what's so interesting in my machine? The machine is cute.
TGFIX.EXE is bad, bad, bad, bad, Sony, bad.
BS
PS: At least I have a live phone number now, next time I leave my power
supply at home. I simply call Ted Asocks at 408-955-5556. If Ted Asocks
would call me before I find out that I left my P/S at home and if he would
offer me a loaner, waiting at the AA counter at LAX, I would even let
TGFIX.EXE do whatever it's doing. I'm watching it while I'm typing this (on
another machine, thank god, the Sony Police could break down my doors
before I hit send). The poor little TGFIX.EXE tries to phone home every 5
minutes or so. But my firewall knows of the sorry bastard and says: No!
Bad, TGFIX.EXE, bad, bad, bad.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:56:30 -0600
From: Perro Loco Productions [el_guapo@perroloco.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: Starband -- here's more info
message-ID:
on 1/25/01 10:49 AM, Marc C. Hood, EdD at mhood@adent.com wrote:
> 1. Starband 500kps down, 150kps up. Available now $400 installation,
> $70 month. http://www.starband.com/
THE GOOD: DishNetwork offers a package deal for $99 a month. You get 2
receivers, the satellite modem (USB), and a new dish (24 x 36) with dual
LNB. The programming included is their Top 150 sat tv package, which is
basically super-cable without the movie channels. And I think you even get
firewall software bundled with the rig.
http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/promotions/starband/index.shtml
http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/programming/packages/basic/at_150/index.a
sp?viewby=1&packid=228&sortby=1
THE BAD: StarBand equipment cost is $400, but you are NOT allowed to
self-install the dish. I asked twice. So add $199 to the bill. :-(
DISCLAIMER: don't blame me 3 months from now when you all have carpal
tunnel syndrome from hi speed web surfing and sat tv channel surfing.
I have been a DishNetwork subscriber since 1996, and since the launching of
the additional birds, the quality has improved greatly. Very few glitches.
Those of you without experience from digital sat tv should know that heavy
rain, snow, or VERY dense clouds can interrupt your signal. In a year, I
might experience 2 or 3 times when we lose signal for 20-30 minutes. I have
worse service from my current ISP.
--
Jason Ahles
Perro Loco Productions | Einstein Design
http://www.perroloco.com | http://www.einstein-design.com

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:04:18 EST
From: Triglyph@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: CCD Size and Depth of Field
message-ID: [4b.69d352c.27a25142@aol.com]
In a message dated 1/25/01 4:28:18 PM, tm@netidea.com writes:
In ref to Frasier.
<< Which is ......... ?
Patrick Chudleigh
>>
The Frasier is a "snorkle" type lens used for macro closeup. It seemingly has near infinite depth of field. Something which is actually touching the lens can be in focus at the same time something many feet away is also sharp=
. It is used a lot in commercials these days but also used in many other vide=
o and film applications.
You can also rotate the image 360=B0 without moving the camera. All sorts o=
f effects - big in music videos.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:19:35 -0500
From: John Jackman [illumination@compuserve.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DV and composites
message-ID: [3A70FAD5.F45A9563@compuserve.com]
Steven Fick wrote:
>NTSC miniDV color space, and compression, create artifacts that can
>limit composites. Has anyone had any experience (working in miniDV)
>shooting bluescreen/greenscreen, not for chroma key, but to create
alpha
>channel mattes on the computer? How did you get clean composites?
The results are exactly the same in chromakey or pulling a separate
alpha matte --
info on the issues and copartaive approaches at:
http://www.greatdv.com/post/bluescreendv1.htm
>Someone mentioned that, with miniDV, you can get better results with a
>greenscreen (than blue), because of peculiarities with the miniDV color
>space (4:1:1) which can better handle green. Is this true? Have you
>had any experience with this?
Green has a larger component derived from the fully sampled luma
channel. However, the difference is minimal in my experience.
John Jackman

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:18:52 -0600
From: "Scott Sanders" [deltic@mediaone.net]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: FCP and QT5, Radius, and others???
message-ID:
Have they eliminated the chroma shift that is in most other codecs?
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Jones [mailto:RJones@fullerton.edu]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 1:44 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: FCP and QT5, Radius, and others???
>So then with FCP your limited to the DVsoft Codec that smears the chroma to
>the left or the QT4 codec (currently stable) that produces a really noisey
>signal for FCP production? What's the best way to do video on the mac
then?
>EditDV with the Radius codec?
Apple's QT5 codec (actually it's a plug-in to QT4 too) has solved those
issues.
It's a free upgrade with either QT5 pp2 or MacOS 9.1 (QT 4.1.2 with DV
4.1.3)
Ross "just rip it out and drop it in here" Jones
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:39:37 -0800
From: Charles F. McConathy [mcconathy@promax.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: Vendors throw suppoprt behind Prem6
message-ID: <1010125203939.ee9b407.3f774447.ASIP6.3.1.657162@mail.promax.com>
Phil Pratt Wrote:
Yes we do have plans to support our RT-MAX card with both Premiere and
FCP.
>Charles F. McConathy wrote:
>
>>Premiere 6.0 is 1000% better than any version Adobe has produced. We have
>entered into an OEM agreement to bundle Premiere on the Mac.<
>
>Charles,
>
>Do you know yet whether Prem 6 will be supported by your RT Mac card when
>it's released? BTW when will it?
>
>
>
>
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>
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>http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members.
>To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:34:05 -1000
From: Jon Burkhart [burkhart@maui.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Robert Rouveroy, CIC-OBM < Doesn't know how to pay
message-ID: [3A710C4D.F5B27307@maui.net]
Bertel Schmitt wrote:
> I'm really convinced now that the line down under is way to understated. If
> Robert doesn't find it, who else will? Please, help and let's put this to
> rest. I'm completely new at this fundraising gig, but it takes up time,
> list bandwidth etc.
Bertel, maybe it's the order of things or the line breaks. Visually it sort of all runs together the way it is now. How about the version below?
Also, the re-asking of the question about contributing may be the result of someone reading the digest and at a certain point wanting to make a contribution but that part was explained later on.
I think the best approach to anyone asking the question from now on is to just refer them the to cut lines at the bottom of every message and leave it at that.
Aloha,
Jon Burkhart
>
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:31:38 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Projected sales figures?
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125233729.035992b0@popserver.panix.com>
At 05:35 PM 1/25/01 -0800, you wrote:
>I'm wondering if anybody has any info regarding projected sales figures
>for DV camcorders, NLE software, and hardware for consumer/prosumer use
>over the next 1-5 years. I was approached to write a book about DV
>moviemaking from development to delivery, and while I wowed 'em with my
>charm and incredible good looks, they're nervous about the potential
>market for such a book.
To get a grip on the DV market is tough and a bit sobering. The bad news
first: It's smaller than you think. For a long time, we operated safely
with 3 numbers:
- Worldwide sales of camcorders (all formats) 8 Million/year
- Percentage of "editors" : Unknown, guesstimate definitely less than 10%
of camcorder sales.
- Sales Distribution Japan/EU/US = 20%/40%/40% (other markets, sorry,
negligible)
These were all rule of thumb numbers, which served us well through the
90's, where camcorder sales were flat.
A clue to current camcorder sales is in http://www.epulse.org/press/1879.html :
"The introduction of digital functionality to the camcorder has led to a
strong resurgence in sales, as 2000 marked the third consecutive year of
growth for the product. Sales of camcorders topped 5.7 million units in
2000, representing $3.3 billion. In 2001, CEA projects camcorder sales to
surpass 6.3 million, which would push household penetration above 40 percent."
That's US numbers, and that's camcorders of all stripes, not just DV. Now
if you apply the 20/40/40 rule to 6.3 million camcorders sold in the US,
you end up with worldwide camcorder sales of 16 Mio plus in 2001 worldwide.
This is probably half true. What's currently going on is a heavy rotation
from 8mm and VHS into DV. I don't have the current percentage of DV /
others SOLD (does anybody?) but I believe it's high. Once the equipment has
been replaced, sales will settle down again (an effect as in turntable / CD
players way back).
Also, the JP (especially) and the EU markets rotated earlier into DV than
the US, so the 16 Mil worldwide are probably lower.
For a book, you probably don't care so much about the world, but the US.
You can safely tell your publisher, that next year 6.3 Million camcorders
will be sold in the US, most of them will be DV, and less than 10% will
"edit". Giving you a target group of around 600,000 potentials. Nothing to
sneeze at, but the "serious" types who might buy your book are probably in
the 60-100K area. Still a high guess, but you don't have to tell your
publisher.
If your publisher isn't so savvy in market matters, you may want to take
the "installed base" number of 40% of the households. I'm too lazy to look
up the current HH number, last I have in my head is 112 Million, so that
would be 45 Million camcorders owned in America.
This may impress your editor, and get the book published, but the number is
totally worthless: It counts all camcorders, especially the ones gathering
dust, and it assumes that every household has only one. There is no such
thing as around 4 Million actively editing Americans.
There are many marketing oriented people on this list, they may want to
chime in with other data. As I said, I haven't done this actively for many
years. I simply pulled out a 1998 model that attempted to gauge the DV/1394
market, (it was a pretty good model, a wee conservative), and I plugged-in
the new datapoint from CEA.
Also buying behavior can drastically change if camcorder manufacturers
change their pricing. A few years ago, a halfway serious 8mm camcorder was
$2K, and a DV camcorder was $4k. Serious money for many. This has changed
drastically. There are much higher unit sales, once you hit certain
pricepoints, the $999 point for instance, or $699. At $299, everybody would
own one.
If you go through Amazon, you won't find much that covers video editing.
While this could signal a wide-open market, it also telegraphs that many
video editing books have been proposed (I know of at least two extremely
serious attempts by two extremely serious authors), but they all died in
the end because:
- The comparatively small target market
- The fear of obsolescence
But: This was years ago.
IF you are serious about that book, NOW would probably the best time.
One: The market is in heavy rotation from analog to digital, sales numbers
are high and knowledge is low.
Two: Technology has settled. 4 years ago, you would have had to cover at
least 20 different boards and watch their manufacturers die while you
wrote. Now, it's basically all down to that 1394 connector in a Mac or a PC
and two editors, Premiere and Final Cut. There are and always will be
others, but you won't be writing books for them. Obits, maybe.
BS. CIC-ED

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:42:50 -1000
From: Jon Burkhart [burkhart@maui.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Let's not gloss over that Starband thing. < Nick?
message-ID: [3A710E5A.BDC81BA2@maui.net]
Can you put more than one computer at a time on that newfangled thing? To sell this deal I gotta be able to let her on at the same time with her computer.
Aloha,
Jon Burkhart
Bertel Schmitt wrote:
> At 10:49 AM 1/25/01 -0600, you wrote:
> >Yes, I did see DirectPC, but only 2-way will really serve my needs. Did
> >I miss any? I hope Starband has a competitor or two out there, but I
> >couldn't find any.
>
> No, Starband is currently it. It's actually repackaged Gilat, also
> available as a Compaq/RatShack deal (must buy computer) and, if I recall,
> some Evil Empire MSN deal also. Buying it the Starband way makes most sense
> if you already own a machine and don't want to go for these come-on,
> lock-in forever deals.
>
> Nick seems to be quite happy with it. In reality, he sees 250Kbps down, but
> it sure beats analog and waiting for DSL or Cable to reach your house in
> the sticks.
>
> BS. CIC-TCP/IP
>
> Nickster? Care to comment?
>
>
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:37:25 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Robert Rouveroy, CIC-OBM < Doesn't know how to pay
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010126003259.0359d6f0@popserver.panix.com>
At 07:34 PM 1/25/01 -1000, Jon wrote:
>Bertel, maybe it's the order of things or the line breaks. Visually it
>sort of all runs together the way it is now. How about the version below?
Thanks, I'll try that. Proof is in the pudding.
>Also, the re-asking of the question about contributing may be the result
>of someone reading the digest and at a certain point wanting to make a
>contribution but that part was explained later on.
10-4.
>I think the best approach to anyone asking the question from now on is to
>just refer them the to cut lines at the bottom of every message and leave
>it at that.
Roger that.
BS

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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:41:24 -0500
From: Dave Haynie [dhaynie@jersey.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Interesting times?
message-ID: <20010126002411.985C.DHAYNIE@jersey.net>
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:33:12 -0500, Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com] jammed all night, and by sunrise was heard saying:
> At 03:54 PM 1/25/01 -0500, Jan wrote:
> >It is the engineering that created the leaps and bounds in electronics
> >development or did I really miss the question?
> From what my engineering friends are telling me, the leaps & bounds in
> engineering are mostly based on electronics these days.
Mostly. I expect stuff in the biotech sectors to heat up in the coming
years. Another interesting one will be nanotechnology (mechanical
systems built at the microscopic level), sometimes an offshoot of chip
technology (many of the tiny gears, motors, tuning forks, etc. they're
making in the labs these days are made using silicon technology, mainly
since we're pretty good at doing tiny things that way).
> Most of my
> engineering contacts are in the automotive industry, and according to them:
> - They couldn't improve on that internal combustion engine anymore without
> the help of a bunch of Crays stacked away in a huge building
Of course, consider that today's Nintendo 64 is more powerful than the
original Cray 1. Eventually, "a bunch of Crays stacked away in a huge
building" fits on your desktop.
> - They couldn't make cars lighter (to save gas) and safer (to save lives)
> without said computers.
Well, I do believe major car companies have such computers. Well, maybe
not a bunch. But everything is done on CAD systems.
In reality, it's probably the practicality of it, not the ability.
Racing cars, exotic sports cars, etc. have a huge carbon fibre content,
making them stronger and lighter. But not cheap enough yet to make VW
bugs in a huge injection molding process, or some-such. Not to mention
the huge, new factory necessary to build a car in a different way. Just
cause something can technically be done doesn't make it practically done.
> They can now "crash" a car during the night (even a
> Cray takes the night to crash a car in virtuality), fix what's broken (in
> virtuality) and crash it again. And when they are done, they build the
> thing and crash it again in real reality to comply with government
> regulations and to check whether the Cray is doing its thing the right way.
Of course, one of the tricks to building better computer models is
actual testing. We've used them in electronics for years, and of course,
every CPU made in the last 10+ years ran in simulation long before it
was actually built. Some simpler ones are totally synthesized from a
logical description.
But such things are far, far simpler than the modeling of physical
systems.
> - According to the above mentioned contacts, soon 30% of car will be
> electronics. Generation shipping in 2 years will have 50 or so CPUs on
> board. Generation thereafter 70-100 CPUs. In one single car.
It sounds like too many CPUs, but I absolutely believe they'll have
multiple CPUs. Fairly prominent in the electronics industry news, lately,
have been companies (such as Microsoft... does that make you nervous,
too) talking about all their great plans for in-car operating systems.
Debates over standards for in-car networking (one proposition's actually
using Firewire), etc. Implying not only are there a bunch of computers,
but that your engine computer, your brake computer, your climate control
computer, your infrared imaging computer, your sonar-collision-avoidance
computer, your communications computer, your entertainment-system
computer, etc. are all going to be potentially talking to one another.
Shoulda kept my '61 T-Bird...
--
Dave Haynie | V.P. Technology | http://www.metabox.de
dhaynie@jersey.net | Met@box AG | http://www.metaboxusa.com

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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:45:19 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Robert Rouveroy, CIC-OBM < Doesn't know how to pay
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010126004318.02d58b40@popserver.panix.com>
We have a pretty dense and obstinate webbased interface to edit the so
called "epilogue," sometimes it takes the line breaks, sometimes it
doesn't, and there is no other feedback method than this:

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:58:30 -1000
From: Jon Burkhart [burkhart@maui.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Jan goes to Maui
message-ID: [3A711206.27FDCC20@maui.net]
Take a tripod too. If you start recording just before sunrise and run for 30 or 40 minutes, it makes one beautiful time lapse if you compress it to about 10 seconds. Be sure to clean EVERY speck of dust off the lens. Shooting into the sun shows
EVERYTHING on the lens. Manual focus. That sunburst will drive the auto focus crazy. I think last time I shot auto iris with the ability to + or - two or three stops.
My trip up scheduled for tomorrow is delayed. Maybe Monday.
Aloha,
Jon Burkhart
"Crittenden, Jan" wrote:
> Thanks Bertel, and I will take that EZ30 after all, along with my Nikons,
> long johns and a thermos of coffee. We are at the Hilton near Lahaina.
> Should be nice. Stayed at the Kapalua last time, that too was very nice.
>
> Aloha,
>
> Jan
>
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:31:46 -0500
From: "Mike Woodworth" [wood0301@tc.umn.edu]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Outstanding, CIC-CIO !!!!!!
message-ID:
> Outstanding, CIC-CIO, Sir!!! This is EXACTLY what we want! Outstanding!
> Here, have that cigar (Cuban - I liberated it - hehe) and come to my tent
> for some of that medicinal bourbon. I take it, it's all database driven?
yes... backends to mySQL... but if your popping for MS-SQL Server, it can
probably be easily chaged :)
--Mike CIC-CIO
Mike Woodworth
Divergent Media Solutions, Inc.
mike@divergentmedia.com
612.327.3219

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:14:07 -1000
From: Jon Burkhart [burkhart@maui.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: OT Re: Jan goes to Maui
message-ID: [3A7115AF.530A0640@maui.net]
Bertel Schmitt wrote:
> PPS: I know the name sounds creepy, but best seafood on the Island is at
> "Mama's Fishhouse," outside of Paia towards Hana, left side of road. It's
> so good that I violated my stringent rule never ever to set a foot into an
> establishment that has "Mama," "Mother," or "Aunt" in its name.
>
I took the liberty of marking this OT. Come to think of it there has been so much OT lately maybe we should start marking stuff OS for when, yes you guessed it. . .
Check the limit on your credit card before you go. A little pricey for my tastes, but it is GOOD.
Ya know that hundred bucks I sent Alexei? I could have had dinner there. . .alone.
Wait. This is going to get Bertel all upset and we hate it when that happens. Just go there and give us your review. Was it worth it?
Aloha,
Jon Burkhart

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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:52:28 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Let's not gloss over that Starband thing. < Nick?
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010126004712.02d59160@popserver.panix.com>
At 07:42 PM 1/25/01 -1000, Jon wrote:
>Can you put more than one computer at a time on that newfangled
>thing? To sell this deal I gotta be able to let her on at the same time
>with her computer.
You probably shouldn't, but you definitely can. You use something dumb as
ICS, or a full fledged router running on NT. Proven to work. What you can't
use is an Ethernet router, cuz it comes with an USB interface. USB
interface behave like a net card and you route/share that in software.
What, you need that stuff on Maui? Did you move to THE OTHER SIDE? Can't
you simply run a wire to the tech center in Kihei?
BS

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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 01:29:57 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Interesting times?
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010126005442.02d5b800@popserver.panix.com>
At 12:41 AM 1/26/01 -0500, Dave wrote:
>In reality, it's probably the practicality of it, not the ability.
>Racing cars, exotic sports cars, etc. have a huge carbon fibre content,
>making them stronger and lighter.
There is computer use for that, definitely, but it's more the realm of the
Suns et al. The really big bastards are actually used to calculate how
>to make VW bugs in a huge injection molding process, or some-such. Not to
>mention
>the huge, new factory necessary to build a car in a different way.
They do exist. Not far from where your German colleagues toil. It's eerie:
A giant machine, the size of several 747 hangars. In front: A desk, nuclear
reactor style, 3-5 guys. The thing goes to a storage area, grabs a huge tool.
Then it sucks-up (as in vacuum) huge pieces of steel, goes punch, punch,
punch, makes some parts. Parts move away. Goes to storage area, grabs
another tool, punch, punch, punch. Big mother feeds a horde of robots that
put the stuff together. Semi-darkness. Only people there to service robots.
The thing spits out all kinds of cars, forget the traditional assembly
lines. Differenty cars, different brands, different colors. All emerging
from the door at the end of the hall.
Brand new. Absurdly expensive.
>But such things are far, far simpler than the modeling of physical
>systems.
Yep. It is amazing that the final cars bend & crack exactly where the
computer predicted.
>It sounds like too many CPUs, but I absolutely believe they'll have
>multiple CPUs.
Would you believe a current Beetle already has around 17? CAN-BUSSed
together? Of course, most of them are more the embedded controller type,
but they are CPUs.
>Fairly prominent in the electronics industry news, lately,
>have been companies (such as Microsoft... does that make you nervous,
>too) talking about all their great plans for in-car operating systems.
Yawn. They are mostly trying to sell the car connected to the Internet.
Which nobody really wants/needs (now). EWD (Email While Driving) fatalities
would probably be higher than DUI. It should make you nervous. Also,
price/bandwidth is maybe ready after the big UMTS rollout. If you send an
SMS these days, the car is in another state before the answer comes back.
No, the CPUs are used to manage the car, the engine, the shifting, AMS,
EDS, collision avoidance, airbag deployment, you name(d) it, That stuff
needs to be autonomous with a high survivability. Hence the distribution of
computing power.
>Debates over standards for in-car networking (one proposition's actually
>using Firewire), etc. Implying not only are there a bunch of computers,
>but that your engine computer, your brake computer, your climate control
>computer, your infrared imaging computer, your sonar-collision-avoidance
>computer, your communications computer, your entertainment-system
>computer, etc. are all going to be potentially talking to one another.
They all are already. Over lowly CAN-BUS. 1 Mbit/sec. With higher CPU
numbers over segmented CAN busses, because of load/survivability. They are
talking about higher datarates, but that means fiber because of the high
noise pollution in the car. CAN chips are cheap and mass produced.
If you are really interested, maybe I can arrange a private tour of the bus
lines ....
BS

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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 01:33:09 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Outstanding, CIC-CIO !!!!!!
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010126013101.02d56640@popserver.panix.com>
At 12:31 AM 1/26/01 -0500, CIC-CIO wrote:
>yes... backends to mySQL... but if your popping for MS-SQL Server, it can
>probably be easily chaged :)
No, problem, SIR! Huge annual MSDN Universal shipment arrived today, SIR!
You want MSSQL2000 in French, Hindi, or Pidgin?
BS, CIC.

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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:41:25 -0600 (CST)
From: Vidiot [brown@mrvideo.vidiot.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Let's not gloss over that Starband thing. < Nick?
message-ID: <200101260641.AAA16991@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
>You probably shouldn't, but you definitely can. You use something dumb as
>ICS, or a full fledged router running on NT. Proven to work. What you can't
>use is an Ethernet router, cuz it comes with an USB interface. USB
>interface behave like a net card and you route/share that in software.
>BS
Huh? I've yet to see an ethernet router with a USB interface.
I must be missing something here.
MB
--
e-mail: vidiot@vidiot.com
Bart: Hey, why is it destroying other toys? Lisa: They must have
programmed it to eliminate the competition. Bart: You mean like
Microsoft? Lisa: Exactly. [The Simpsons - 12/18/99]
Visit - URL:http://www.vidiot.com/ (Your link to Star Trek and UPN)

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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 01:37:41 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: OT Re: Jan goes to Maui
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010126013708.02d693f0@popserver.panix.com>
At 08:14 PM 1/25/01 -1000, Jon wrote:
>Wait. This is going to get Bertel all upset and we hate it when that
>happens. Just go there and give us your review. Was it worth it?
Pout. No, I don't feel like it. Maybe Monday.
BS

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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 01:36:22 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Jan goes to Maui
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010126013456.035a0df0@popserver.panix.com>
At 07:58 PM 1/25/01 -1000, you wrote:
>My trip up scheduled for tomorrow is delayed. Maybe Monday.
Maui stile: "Why should I go up Haleakala tomorrow. It'll be there when I
feel like it. Maybe Monday."
BS

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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 01:48:42 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt [bschmitt@panix.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Let's not gloss over that Starband thing. < Nick?
message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010126014246.02d6ac60@popserver.panix.com>
At 12:41 AM 1/26/01 -0600, MB wrote:
>Huh? I've yet to see an ethernet router with a USB interface.
>I must be missing something here.
Sorry, typing too fast, leaving out words, I meant to say:
"What you cannot use is an Ethernet router, because the Satellite interface
comes with an USB connector. USB connector goes into a computer (due to
lack of USB on Ethernet router). Satellite interface shows up in computer
as a "virtual" network card. It looks like a network card to the computer,
but in actuality, it is a Satellite interface with an USB connector. That
"virtual" network card connection can be routed/shared/sliced/diced ......."
Better now?
BS. CIC-SAT

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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:56:26 -0600 (CST)
From: Vidiot [brown@mrvideo.vidiot.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Let's not gloss over that Starband thing. < Nick?
message-ID: <200101260656.AAA17094@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
>"What you cannot use is an Ethernet router, because the Satellite interface
>comes with an USB connector. USB connector goes into a computer (due to
>lack of USB on Ethernet router). Satellite interface shows up in computer
>as a "virtual" network card. It looks like a network card to the computer,
>but in actuality, it is a Satellite interface with an USB connector. That
>"virtual" network card connection can be routed/shared/sliced/diced ......."
>
>Better now?
>
>BS. CIC-SAT
While there are more words to describe this, I'm not sure what "this" is.
All ethernet routers I've ever worked with only have ethernet connections.
Why would anyone want an ethernet router that has a USB port?
To me, Satellite interfaces deal with stuff that works with satellite
receiving equipment.
I should have paid more attention.
MB
--
e-mail: vidiot@vidiot.com
Bart: Hey, why is it destroying other toys? Lisa: They must have
programmed it to eliminate the competition. Bart: You mean like
Microsoft? Lisa: Exactly. [The Simpsons - 12/18/99]
Visit - URL:http://www.vidiot.com/ (Your link to Star Trek and UPN)

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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 02:41:55 -0500
From: Dave Haynie [dhaynie@jersey.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Let's not gloss over that Starband thing. < Nick?
message-ID: <20010126023231.9865.DHAYNIE@jersey.net>
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:56:26 -0600 (CST), Vidiot [brown@mrvideo.vidiot.com] jammed all night, and by sunrise was heard saying:
> >"What you cannot use is an Ethernet router, because the Satellite interface
> >comes with an USB connector.
> While there are more words to describe this, I'm not sure what "this" is.
> All ethernet routers I've ever worked with only have ethernet connections.
> Why would anyone want an ethernet router that has a USB port?
Maybe you're missing the detail here. The satellite modem, unlike most
DSL and Cable modems (which use Ethernet), runs on USB. So obviously,
you can't simply hook it to a router and share it between computers, USB
is a one-computer thing.
However, if you make the host computer do the router/gateway thing (much
as my 100-base-T network here is funneled into a V90 modem on either the
Linux or Win2K machine), other computers can hit the network. The modem
itself will be oblivious.
> Satellite interface shows up in computer
> >as a "virtual" network card. It looks like a network card to the computer,
> >but in actuality, it is a Satellite interface with an USB connector.
There's nothing virtual about it -- it IS a network. There's no special
magic in Ethernet, it's just one of many possible networks. A POTS modem,
a HomePNA card, one of those USB to USB bridge gizmos, a Firewire
connection, etc. can all be proper, everyday, ordinary network
connections.
I'm starting to drool a little over Starband, even given the realtively
hefty startup costs. I already have a DishNetwork hookup, I have enough
flat roof space to 20 dish antenna, and I'm not even a likely candidate
for CableTV, in this decade anyway (well, if I got stupid-rich, I
suppose I could pay for the wires myself).
> To me, Satellite interfaces deal with stuff that works with satellite
> receiving equipment.
To your computer, it's a plain old everyday TCP/IP connection (well, it
ultimately is; in some of these schemes, other protocols actually run
to/from the modem, in some, the modem is doing more or less standard
network bits, just over unusual media like 2-way satellite) that happens
to be hooked up to USB rather than Ethernet or some other media.
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Dave Haynie | V.P. Technology | http://www.metabox.de
dhaynie@jersey.net | Met@box AG | http://www.metaboxusa.com

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:39:03 -0800
From: Nick Schlott [nick@schlott.org]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Let's not gloss over that Starband thing. < Nick?
message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20010125233903.0160cce8@m4.sprynet.com>
Bertel got it right the second time: the satellite modem comes with a USB
interface.
Interestingly, the sat modem comes with an ethernet connector that's dead
out of the box. Other Starband users have discovered that, if you don't
mind voiding the modem warranty, the USB interface can be internally
unhooked and the ethernet port re-connected by shifting an internal cable.
I haven't tried this approach, USB+ICS is working fine for me.
One warning on this satellite broadband stuff: it's not for everyone. It's
reasonably fast coming down the pipe, but not much better speed than a
modem going up. I see 275-400kbps down, 35-50kbps (bits not bytes) up.
Latency is also very high, 1000ms or worse. I basically got the satellite
system because nothing else was available in my area except flakey &
expensive ISDN. I'm reasonably happy with it (beats the heck outa analog)
but others are less happy.
Nick
>"What you cannot use is an Ethernet router, because the Satellite interface
>comes with an USB connector. USB connector goes into a computer (due to
>lack of USB on Ethernet router). Satellite interface shows up in computer
>as a "virtual" network card. It looks like a network card to the computer,
>but in actuality, it is a Satellite interface with an USB connector. That
>"virtual" network card connection can be routed/shared/sliced/diced ......."

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