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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:12:08 +0000
From: Kurt Kerkhofs [kurtk@uia.ua.ac.be]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: MacJournalism
message-ID: [3C3D8517.CA1@uia.ua.ac.be]
Don Mitchell wrote:
>
> Kurt:
>
> You have completely missed the point of my posting.
>
> DM
Sorry if I did. I found it to be a poor article with very little
objective and relevant content. I'm not sure what the point of your
posting was (sorry). So many yesterday and I allready deleted them to
make place for todays 177 messages.
Sorry I missed it, I still do.
Cheers
Kurt

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:12:03 -0000
From: "Perry Mitchell" [perry.mitchell@btinternet.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: Smallest 3 Chip Camera
message-ID:
Since you asked, Toshiba make a 3 chip camera about the size of the TRV900
lens! It is widely used for special purposes such as car mounted rigs. I
think you meant to ask what is the smallest Camcorder?
Perry Mitchell
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Hamman
What is the SMALLEST 3 chip MiniDV camera one can buy?
Am I correct in assuming it is the Sony DCR-TRV900?

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:48:01 -0500
From: Jeff Hamman [jhamman@earthlink.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Smallest 3 Chip Camera
message-ID:
>Since you asked, Toshiba make a 3 chip camera about the size of the TRV900
>lens! It is widely used for special purposes such as car mounted rigs. I
>think you meant to ask what is the smallest Camcorder?
Yes, thank you. I meant what is the smallest 3 chip MiniDV camcorder?
Jeff

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:00:07 +0100
From: Axel Vetter [axel.vetter@archipel.de]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: DSR-30 problem
message-ID:
>Walt, I bet if you press the reset button, all will be ok.
>
>It's located on the right side under the cover above the headphone volume
>control.
>
> > Last night I turned on my DSR-30 that has been working flawlessly
That's my suggestion, too. I own the DHR-1000VC which is nearly the
same deck. Sometimes it doesn't respond or, like I had it twice,
responded to playback command but only showed a white screen. Reset
it, set it up again (clock, audio mode etc.) and it works again.
Axel

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:24:54 -0800
From: DV-hobbyist [DV-hobbyist@sbcglobal.net]
To: DV Mailing List [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: DVD camcorders
message-ID:
Has this been mentioned before? I thought that this might be something
y'all'd be interested in hearing. From MacNN.com:
"Hitachi unveils three DVD camcorders at CES
Hitachi unveiled a new line of DVD camcorders today at the 2002 Consumer
Electronics Show. Three new DVD camcorder models now offer both DVD-R and
DVD-RAM format compatibility, purportedly delivering enhanced interfacing
with consumer-targeted DVD players. The DZ-MV200A features multi-disc format
compatibility (DVD-RAM/R), 12x lens (240x digital zoom), 680k pixel CCD, EIS
(Electronic Image Stabilizer) and 2.5-inch LCD screen and is priced at $900,
while the DZ-MV230A adds a 1/4-inch 1.1 mega pixel CCD and costs $1000.
Finally, the DZ-MV270A also features a larger 3.5-inch LCD screen, Color
Viewfinder and S-video input, and is priced at $1300."
Could this be the end of DV? I mean, I'm not a codec genius, by I believe DV
is its own codec, and DVD uses MPEG-4, an entirely different one. How off am
I?

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:24:28 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rgen?= Ullberg [Jorgen.Ullberg@zoologi.su.se]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Smallest 3 Chip Camera
message-ID:
Panasonic has also a 3 chip camera that compare in size, to the
TRV900 at least. I have the model before the latest, and I find it
small enough, but then I do not know your intended purpose.
J=F6rgen
>>Since you asked, Toshiba make a 3 chip camera about the size of the TRV900
>>lens! It is widely used for special purposes such as car mounted rigs. I
>>think you meant to ask what is the smallest Camcorder?
>
>Yes, thank you. I meant what is the smallest 3 chip MiniDV camcorder?
>
>Jeff
>
--
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Dept. of Zoology
University of Stockholm
106 91 STOCKHOLM
SWEDEN
Phone: + 46 8 164001
=46ax: + 46 8 167715
e-mail: Jorgen.Ullberg@zoologi.su.se

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:54:52 +0900
From: selander@tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Smallest 3 Chip Camera
message-ID: <1f5tcro.1ila81pekixsoM%selander@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Panasonic sells a MX3000 3CCD palmcorder in Japan that they claim is the
smallest 3CCD camcorder. Check this out for pix:
http://prodb.matsushita.co.jp/products/fr/NV/NV-MX3000.html
A google.com search will also turn up lots of info on it.
It must be pretty well known -- in the past couple of weeks I've had
like 5 people contact me out of the blue to check on prices and
availability here. With shipping to the US, etc., it works out to
something like $1700 for the camera and acc'y kit.
It's substantially smaller than the TRV900. It's all in Japanese, but
Panasonic has a surprisingly good mini manual in English for the
product.
You could definitely get away with unobtrusive "tourist" shooting with
this camera!
Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan
> What is the SMALLEST 3 chip MiniDV camera one can buy?
>
> Am I correct in assuming it is the Sony DCR-TRV900?
>
> I was looking for something on the order of the
> Canon Elura or Sony DCR-PC-9 for size and appearance,
> but wanted something in a 3 chip for better quality.
>
> Mostly, I want something that looks like nothing more
> than a small 35mm camera, so it will not draw attention
> to the fact that I am shooting video.
>
> The Sony DCR-VX2000 or Canon GL-1 are a little too
> large and look too much like serious video cameras
> for my purposes.
>
> I am not familiar with the Panasonic or JVC lines, so
> thought there may be something that I have overlooked.
>
> Jeff
>

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:55:07 -0500
From: pauncz@sympatico.ca
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: RE: VIA Chipset Problems with PCI Bus
message-ID: [3C3D8F2B.CE08DF01@attglobal.net>
] Do you have a recommendation for a Pentium III dual processor
> board with 133 MHz FSB using SDRAM?
Walt,
I tried to post yesterday, but seems it did not make it to the list yet
(using "groups.yahoo.com").
I built my own NLE system early last year, settled on a dual processor
MoBo - the ASUS CUV4X-D.
It uses the Via 694XDP chipset and I have had no problems with it.
It uses dual PIII 1Ghz processors and has 1GB RAM, all HDDs are SCSI.
One of the capture cards is a Digital Origin Lynx card which came with
EditDV 2.0 and I use it with
Cinestream 3.01 and apart from some minor known issues, works
flawlessly.
The other card, packaged with Pinnacle's DV200 and which uses a TI
chipset, I bought as it bundled
Adobe Premiere and I couldn't fault the cost. I use this card either
alongside the DO Lynx card
with the OHCI MS DV driver or dual boot to another partition and use
Pinnacle's drivers with Premiere
in order to take advantage of the Pinnacle programs/plugings to
capture/preview.
Hope this helps ...(and it's gets to the list this time)
Bon chance ...
Tom

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:00:40 +0000
From: Kurt Kerkhofs [kurtk@uia.ua.ac.be]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DVD camcorders
message-ID: [3C3DAC98.6428@uia.ua.ac.be]
DV-hobbyist wrote:
>
> Has this been mentioned before? I thought that this might be something
> y'all'd be interested in hearing. From MacNN.com:
>
> "Hitachi unveils three DVD camcorders at CES
>
>
> Could this be the end of DV? I mean, I'm not a codec genius, by I believe DV
> is its own codec, and DVD uses MPEG-4, an entirely different one. How off am
> I?
>
Your a bit off, theoretically. DVD uses mpeg-2 for the moment. This is a
distribution format. It's made for VIEWING. The interframe-compression
in mpeg2 makes it hard to edit the material because not every frame is
complete. (It references frames behind and in front of itself). There
are tricks to convert this and still edit or i-frame editing (which
does store complete frames).
Although it's all possible in mpeg-2, quality-wise you'll still be much
better of using DV and firewire.
Some professional systems like betacam sx do use mpeg-2 (i-frames only)
and are better but less affordable then DV. The do however record to
tape not disc. The "Unique Selling Proposition" of Hitachi will probably
be the ability to play in settop players.
cheers
Kurt Kerkhofs
AV-Centre
Antwerp University

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:00:35 -0500
From: "Crittenden, Jan" [CRITTENDENJ@PANASONIC.COM]
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'" [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: DVD camcorders
message-ID:
DV-Hobbyist wrote:
> Could this be the end of DV? I mean, I'm not a codec genius, by I believe
DV is its own codec, and DVD uses MPEG-4, an entirely different one. How off
am I?
DV is a interframe, or frame based codec, so that each frame stands
independently. MPEG4 or 2 is an intraframe codec where it works within
Groups of Pictures. While I don't know whether the cameras you saw were
MPEG4 or MPEG2, most DVD today is MPEG2. So these cameras would be geared
to the home hobby videophile as most professionals would find that not being
able to edit on a frame by frame basis would be severely limiting. Also if
you uncompressed the signal so that you could send it into an editing
system, that used a different compression scheme, the concatenation of the
multiple compression schemes would be very apparent, and for the most part
unacceptable.
Remember the CES is the Consumer Electronics Show.
Hope this helps,
Jan

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:16:05 +0800
From: "Andy King" [a.king@cowan.edu.au]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: OT may be of benefit to students.instructors etc.
message-ID: <003f01c199d8$f6c3d760$55035f0a@oemcomputer>
Hi all from West Oz,
Off Topic ...forgive me ...
As from February Maya is available for download
from AliasWavefront for free....
Non commercial use only.
Images created will be watermarked.
Mac OSX and Windows supported.
here's the URL
http://www.aliaswavefront.com/en/Community/Special/ple_announce/index.html#h
Thanks for all your help in the past.
Andy King
http://larkrise.tripod.com/

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:59:05 +0100
From: "Jean-Michel" [jmfaure@mageos.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: DVD camcorders
message-ID:
I have asked Sony France to loan me a MICROMV camcorder (IP7) to test the
MICROMV to DVD conversion. They told me they are OK for February, I'll
see...
MICROMV is a smaller tape and MPEG-2. I wasn't able to get more info on the
MPEG-2 format, if it is 10Mbps, we're done it's compatible with DVD. If it
is 25Mbps, it is exactly like DV and no interest...
Due to smaller tape, MICROMV is for very small DVcam with a quality a bit
inferior to DV.
The future could be MPEG-4 in DVD player because Microsoft has decided to
put there WMV which is based on MPEG-4 and MPEG-7 (when it will work). IMHO,
the industry reaction can only be to put some standard MPEG-4 in players and
C-Cube MPEG-4 chips are ready, as well as Zoran I guess...
Jim
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Kurt Kerkhofs [mailto:kurtk@uia.ua.ac.be]
Envoye : jeudi 10 janvier 2002 16:01
A : DV-L@dvcentral.org
Objet : Re: DVD camcorders
DV-hobbyist wrote:
>
> Has this been mentioned before? I thought that this might be something
> y'all'd be interested in hearing. From MacNN.com:
>
> "Hitachi unveils three DVD camcorders at CES
>
>
> Could this be the end of DV? I mean, I'm not a codec genius, by I believe
DV
> is its own codec, and DVD uses MPEG-4, an entirely different one. How off
am
> I?
>
Your a bit off, theoretically. DVD uses mpeg-2 for the moment. This is a
distribution format. It's made for VIEWING. The interframe-compression
in mpeg2 makes it hard to edit the material because not every frame is
complete. (It references frames behind and in front of itself). There
are tricks to convert this and still edit or i-frame editing (which
does store complete frames).
Although it's all possible in mpeg-2, quality-wise you'll still be much
better of using DV and firewire.
Some professional systems like betacam sx do use mpeg-2 (i-frames only)
and are better but less affordable then DV. The do however record to
tape not disc. The "Unique Selling Proposition" of Hitachi will probably
be the ability to play in settop players.
cheers
Kurt Kerkhofs
AV-Centre
Antwerp University

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:52:21 -0500
From: Tobe Carey [willowmx@ulster.net]
To: "DV-L@DVCentral.org" [DV-L@DVCentral.org]
Subject: format wars
message-ID: [3C3DAAA5.8813D472@ulster.net]
I thought I remembered a rule here about no format (platform)
wars...seems to have been breached with the latest release of the new
imacs..Peace brothers and sisters, peace!
Tobe

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:54:14 +0900
From: selander@tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DVD camcorders
message-ID: <1f5tj2l.7whqerj9n63hM%selander@tkf.att.ne.jp>
I was playing with a MicroMV IP7 in Tokyo the other day. It's 12Mbps.
The image quality was pretty nice when the picture/camera was held
still. When you pan the camera, the picture sort of went out of "focus"
as the picture degenerated into a zillion tiny macro blocks. Then after
you stopped moving, the picture kind of snapped back into focus as all
the bits and bytes re-arranged themselves into a stable picture. It was
kind of an interesting effect!
The tapes are positively tiny -- 30% the volume of a miniDV tape. The
camera itself is small, just a bit smaller than a Canon IXY/Elura.
Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan
> I have asked Sony France to loan me a MICROMV camcorder (IP7) to test the
> MICROMV to DVD conversion. They told me they are OK for February, I'll
> see...
>
> MICROMV is a smaller tape and MPEG-2. I wasn't able to get more info on the
> MPEG-2 format, if it is 10Mbps, we're done it's compatible with DVD. If it
> is 25Mbps, it is exactly like DV and no interest...
>
> Due to smaller tape, MICROMV is for very small DVcam with a quality a bit
> inferior to DV.
>
> The future could be MPEG-4 in DVD player because Microsoft has decided to
> put there WMV which is based on MPEG-4 and MPEG-7 (when it will work). IMHO,
> the industry reaction can only be to put some standard MPEG-4 in players and
> C-Cube MPEG-4 chips are ready, as well as Zoran I guess...
>
> Jim
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Kurt Kerkhofs [mailto:kurtk@uia.ua.ac.be]
> Envoye : jeudi 10 janvier 2002 16:01
> A : DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Objet : Re: DVD camcorders
>
>
> DV-hobbyist wrote:
> >
> > Has this been mentioned before? I thought that this might be something
> > y'all'd be interested in hearing. From MacNN.com:
> >
> > "Hitachi unveils three DVD camcorders at CES
> >
>
> >
> > Could this be the end of DV? I mean, I'm not a codec genius, by I believe
> DV
> > is its own codec, and DVD uses MPEG-4, an entirely different one. How off
> am
> > I?
> >
>
> Your a bit off, theoretically. DVD uses mpeg-2 for the moment. This is a
> distribution format. It's made for VIEWING. The interframe-compression
> in mpeg2 makes it hard to edit the material because not every frame is
> complete. (It references frames behind and in front of itself). There
> are tricks to convert this and still edit or i-frame editing (which
> does store complete frames).
>
> Although it's all possible in mpeg-2, quality-wise you'll still be much
> better of using DV and firewire.
>
> Some professional systems like betacam sx do use mpeg-2 (i-frames only)
> and are better but less affordable then DV. The do however record to
> tape not disc. The "Unique Selling Proposition" of Hitachi will probably
> be the ability to play in settop players.
>
> cheers
>
> Kurt Kerkhofs
> AV-Centre
> Antwerp University
>

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:15:42 -0500
From: John Roche [jroche@nyc.rr.com]
To: "DV-L@dvcentral.org" [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: Smallest 3 Chip Camera
message-ID:
Panasonic MX3000?, have a look at some info here;
www.supervideo.com/mxhome.htm>
i seem to recall there is a REALLY small 3 chip, but can't seem to find it
now.
john
on 1/10/02 1:02 AM, Jeff Hamman at jhamman@earthlink.net wrote:
> What is the SMALLEST 3 chip MiniDV camera one can buy?
>
> Am I correct in assuming it is the Sony DCR-TRV900?
>
> I was looking for something on the order of the
> Canon Elura or Sony DCR-PC-9 for size and appearance,
> but wanted something in a 3 chip for better quality.
>
> Mostly, I want something that looks like nothing more
> than a small 35mm camera, so it will not draw attention
> to the fact that I am shooting video.
>
> The Sony DCR-VX2000 or Canon GL-1 are a little too
> large and look too much like serious video cameras
> for my purposes.
>
> I am not familiar with the Panasonic or JVC lines, so
> thought there may be something that I have overlooked.
>
> Jeff

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:34:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Barry G [black_angus1@yahoo.com]
To: jhamman@earthlink.net
Cc: dv-l@dvcentral.org
Subject: re:Smallest 3 Chip Camera
message-ID: <20020110153438.36316.qmail@web13505.mail.yahoo.com>
<
buy?>>
A good source to keep up on the rumors and new model
announcements is www.supervideo.com/dvnews.htm
Sony's current smallest is the TRV-900. There were
rumors about a PC300 which would have been similar to
the PC100-110-120 series, but with 3 CCD's, which
would be probablye exactly what you wanted -- however
that unit appears to be on hold.
Panasonic makes a highly regarded tiny 3-CCD unit,
probably a bit smaller than the TRV-900. Look at
www.supervideo.com/mxhome.htm and
www.supervideo.com/panason.htm for details.
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:53:37 -0500
From: "Jay Doggett" [jmdoggett@mediaone.net]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: DVD camcorders
message-ID:
I wonder how long it will be until they have a camcorder that uses compact flash. It can't be too far away.
Jay
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DV-hobbyist [mailto:DV-hobbyist@sbcglobal.net]
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 6:25 AM
> To: DV Mailing List
> Subject: DVD camcorders
>
>
> Has this been mentioned before? I thought that this might be something
> y'all'd be interested in hearing. From MacNN.com:
>
> "Hitachi unveils three DVD camcorders at CES
>
> Hitachi unveiled a new line of DVD camcorders today at the 2002 Consumer
> Electronics Show. Three new DVD camcorder models now offer both DVD-R and
> DVD-RAM format compatibility, purportedly delivering enhanced interfacing
> with consumer-targeted DVD players. The DZ-MV200A features multi-disc format
> compatibility (DVD-RAM/R), 12x lens (240x digital zoom), 680k pixel CCD, EIS
> (Electronic Image Stabilizer) and 2.5-inch LCD screen and is priced at $900,
> while the DZ-MV230A adds a 1/4-inch 1.1 mega pixel CCD and costs $1000.
> Finally, the DZ-MV270A also features a larger 3.5-inch LCD screen, Color
> Viewfinder and S-video input, and is priced at $1300."
>
> Could this be the end of DV? I mean, I'm not a codec genius, by I believe DV
> is its own codec, and DVD uses MPEG-4, an entirely different one. How off am
> I?
>
>
> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:30:47 -0700
From: Todd Knowles [tkathome@earthlink.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: I mean early adopters
message-ID: [3C3DC1AD.B25D35DA@earthlink.net]
There is a way to record HD broadcasts?
Todd Knowles
Dave Campbell wrote:
>
> I sure love taping my HD programs. Can be either HBO, showtime, CBS, ABC, NBC
> etc. Sure dont have time to watch them.

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:15:40 CST
From: "Bruce A. Johnson ORH 2-8503" [johnsonb@wpt.org]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: HDTV
message-ID: [3407C1C79B9@vilas.uwex.edu]
Steve wrote:
>TW cable has HD in many cities...<
Not, for example, in Milwaukee (which is an AOL/TW town...)
>...and outside NYC almost everyone gets DirecTV or Dish.<
WHAT?
You do realize, of course, that total DBS penetration in the US is
way south of 20%?
You do realize, of course, that anyone that doesn't have a southern
sky-shot from their house is outta luck?
You do realize, of course, that virtually anyone that lives in an
apartment building or high-rise is probably similarly outta luck?
You do realize, of course, that people have to PAY for DBS, and
over-the-air, free TV broadcast is where the (h)DTV transition got
started?
DTV is a corporate welfare program for companies like Sony,
Panasonic, Harris and the like. The average American will see
nothing from this scam, and the costs involved in the switch-over
stand to bankrupt virtually every small station operator (or small
group owner.)
We are looking at the demise of local, small-market TV altogether,
and the survivors will use their OTA bandwidth to sell datacasting
services. And the survivors will all be huge broadcasting
conglomerates.
Everyone that thinks that's a good thing, raise your hand.
I'd like to remind people of one thing: Disney, GE, Rupert
Murdoch, Viacom, et.al., do NOT own the airwaves.
WE, the PEOPLE, do.
It's time we all started acting like we did.
Bruce A. Johnson
Senior Videographer/Editor
Wisconsin Public Television Digital Production Unit

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:12:29 -0500
From: "Crittenden, Jan" [CRITTENDENJ@PANASONIC.COM]
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'" [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: Smallest 3 Chip Camera
message-ID:
The AG-EZ50 is available here with US Warranty for perhaps a little more,
has a Zeiss lens as well and you can read all about it at
http://www.panasonic.com/pbds/subcat/Products/cams_ccorders/f_ag-ez50u.html
I think it is a little smaller than the MX3000 and believe its Japanese
counter part would actually be the MX2000. The 3000 nor the 2000 were never
imported by the American Sales companies.
Hope that helps,
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: selander@tkf.att.ne.jp [mailto:selander@tkf.att.ne.jp]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 7:55 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Smallest 3 Chip Camera
Panasonic sells a MX3000 3CCD palmcorder in Japan that they claim is the
smallest 3CCD camcorder. Check this out for pix:
http://prodb.matsushita.co.jp/products/fr/NV/NV-MX3000.html
A google.com search will also turn up lots of info on it.
It must be pretty well known -- in the past couple of weeks I've had
like 5 people contact me out of the blue to check on prices and
availability here. With shipping to the US, etc., it works out to
something like $1700 for the camera and acc'y kit.
It's substantially smaller than the TRV900. It's all in Japanese, but
Panasonic has a surprisingly good mini manual in English for the
product.
You could definitely get away with unobtrusive "tourist" shooting with
this camera!
Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan
> What is the SMALLEST 3 chip MiniDV camera one can buy?
>
> Am I correct in assuming it is the Sony DCR-TRV900?
>
> I was looking for something on the order of the
> Canon Elura or Sony DCR-PC-9 for size and appearance,
> but wanted something in a 3 chip for better quality.
>
> Mostly, I want something that looks like nothing more
> than a small 35mm camera, so it will not draw attention
> to the fact that I am shooting video.
>
> The Sony DCR-VX2000 or Canon GL-1 are a little too
> large and look too much like serious video cameras
> for my purposes.
>
> I am not familiar with the Panasonic or JVC lines, so
> thought there may be something that I have overlooked.
>
> Jeff
>
-- (cut off when replying)-----------------
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:20:51 CST
From: "Bruce A. Johnson ORH 2-8503" [johnsonb@wpt.org]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: HDTV
message-ID: [34091E97040@vilas.uwex.edu]
CPJ wrote:
>While HiDef (and digital) are moving pretty slowly they *are*
moving.<
I think "glacially" might be the proper descriptor. And all this
progress I hear about (especially cable carriage) is happening in
big cities.
Well, the US is a BIG country, with huge gaps between urban
centers, where actual *people* actually live. Those people will not
see one drop of benefit from DTV.
Bruce A. Johnson
Senior Videographer/Editor
Wisconsin Public Television Digital Production Unit

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:22:57 +0100
From: "JM" [jmfaure@mageos.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: DVD camcorders
message-ID:
This is somehow disappointing, the techno isn't ready for market=2E 12Mbps i=
s
too high and not more interesting than DV=2E The quality for 12Mbps isn't go=
od
so the MPEG chip has to be more powerful=2E
Btw, the size sounds to be the only 'pro'=2E
Jim
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Tim Selander [mailto:selander@tkf=2Eatt=2Ene=2Ejp]
Envoy=E9 : jeudi 10 janvier 2002 15:54
=C0 : DV-L@dvcentral=2Eorg
Objet : Re: DVD camcorders
I was playing with a MicroMV IP7 in Tokyo the other day=2E It's 12Mbps=2E
The image quality was pretty nice when the picture/camera was held
still=2E When you pan the camera, the picture sort of went out of "focus"
as the picture degenerated into a zillion tiny macro blocks=2E Then after
you stopped moving, the picture kind of snapped back into focus as all
the bits and bytes re-arranged themselves into a stable picture=2E It was
kind of an interesting effect!
The tapes are positively tiny -- 30% the volume of a miniDV tape=2E The
camera itself is small, just a bit smaller than a Canon IXY/Elura=2E
Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan
> I have asked Sony France to loan me a MICROMV camcorder (IP7) to test the
> MICROMV to DVD conversion=2E They told me they are OK for February, I'll
> see=2E=2E=2E
>
> MICROMV is a smaller tape and MPEG-2=2E I wasn't able to get more info on
the
> MPEG-2 format, if it is 10Mbps, we're done it's compatible with DVD=2E If =
it
> is 25Mbps, it is exactly like DV and no interest=2E=2E=2E
>
> Due to smaller tape, MICROMV is for very small DVcam with a quality a bit
> inferior to DV=2E
>
> The future could be MPEG-4 in DVD player because Microsoft has decided to
> put there WMV which is based on MPEG-4 and MPEG-7 (when it will work)=2E
IMHO,
> the industry reaction can only be to put some standard MPEG-4 in players
and
> C-Cube MPEG-4 chips are ready, as well as Zoran I guess=2E=2E=2E
>
> Jim
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Kurt Kerkhofs [mailto:kurtk@uia=2Eua=2Eac=2Ebe]
> Envoye : jeudi 10 janvier 2002 16:01
> A : DV-L@dvcentral=2Eorg
> Objet : Re: DVD camcorders
>
>
> DV-hobbyist wrote:
> >
> > Has this been mentioned before? I thought that this might be something
> > y'all'd be interested in hearing=2E From MacNN=2Ecom:
> >
> > "Hitachi unveils three DVD camcorders at CES
> >
>
> >
> > Could this be the end of DV? I mean, I'm not a codec genius, by I
believe
> DV
> > is its own codec, and DVD uses MPEG-4, an entirely different one=2E How
off
> am
> > I?
> >
>
> Your a bit off, theoretically=2E DVD uses mpeg-2 for the moment=2E This is=
a
> distribution format=2E It's made for VIEWING=2E The interframe-compression
> in mpeg2 makes it hard to edit the material because not every frame is
> complete=2E (It references frames behind and in front of itself)=2E There
> are tricks to convert this and still edit or i-frame editing (which
> does store complete frames)=2E
>
> Although it's all possible in mpeg-2, quality-wise you'll still be much
> better of using DV and firewire=2E
>
> Some professional systems like betacam sx do use mpeg-2 (i-frames only)
> and are better but less affordable then DV=2E The do however record to
> tape not disc=2E The "Unique Selling Proposition" of Hitachi will probably
> be the ability to play in settop players=2E
>
> cheers
>
> Kurt Kerkhofs
> AV-Centre
> Antwerp University
>

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:22:52 -0000
From: "Perry Mitchell" [perry.mitchell@btinternet.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: Smallest 3 Chip Camera
message-ID:
In case you wonder just how small this is! See:
http://www.optexint.com/sales/minicams/tu48.htm
Perry
-----Original Message-----
From: Perry Mitchell
Since you asked, Toshiba make a 3 chip camera about the size of the TRV900
lens! It is widely used for special purposes such as car mounted rigs.

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:47:55 -0500
From: "Crittenden, Jan" [CRITTENDENJ@PANASONIC.COM]
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'" [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: HDTV
message-ID:
Bruce wrote:
DTV is a corporate welfare program for companies like Sony,
Panasonic, Harris and the like. The average American will see
nothing from this scam, and the costs involved in the switch-over
stand to bankrupt virtually every small station operator (or small
group owner.)
Bruce, I found the first sentence of this paragraph of your missive to be
somewhat offensive. DTV was established for the benefit of future
broadcasting. (Perhaps the FCC had too tight of a timetable?, that is not
for me to judge. I do think if they had said 10 years, we wouldn't see any
movement on the majority for 9 of those 10, just like when they said 6 years
we didn't see movement for most of the first 5.) Since you can only get to
the finish if you start, you have to start. If you think that developing
digital HDTV or even DV machines costs nothing, think again. The
manufacturers develop product with the long term sight that says break-even
way down the road. No one is making any real money, and if you doubt that go
to the NY Times and search on the majors and see how many people have lost
jobs this past year at Sony, Panasonic and others, both here and in Japan.
Secondly, I do agree it will be difficult for every small broadcaster to do
this DTV changeover, I don't quibble that point, and some may not make it.
I feel bad about that. But recognize that as the FCC grants the digital
airwaves, the analog ones go up for sale, thus contributing to the Public's
bottom line.
All in all, we are still very much at the beginning and not the end.
Best regards,
Jan

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:50:16 -0500
From: "Crittenden, Jan" [CRITTENDENJ@PANASONIC.COM]
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'" [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: I mean early adopters
message-ID:
Todd,
Yes there is. First you have to have a Digital Receiver and then a Digital
VHS machine that will record the MPEG2 19.4Mbs bit stream as it is
broadcast. Of course you will also want a monitor that is capable of
displaying the improved resolution in the HD pics.
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Knowles [mailto:tkathome@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:31 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: I mean early adopters
There is a way to record HD broadcasts?
Todd Knowles
Dave Campbell wrote:
>
> I sure love taping my HD programs. Can be either HBO, showtime, CBS, ABC,
NBC
> etc. Sure dont have time to watch them.
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:58:31 -0000
From: "Perry Mitchell" [perry.mitchell@btinternet.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: DVD camcorders
message-ID:
This is of course the Panasonic party line to counter Sony which is heavily
into MPEG for broadcast production. Most digital video storage and
transmission is now done on MPEG2 so it will get there at some stage! Sony
have IMX now, an I frame only MPEG2 to meet most of the previous problems
with SX.
I see great possibilities for long GOP but high quality MPEG as an
acquisition only format for film style drama, especially when progressive
scan HiDef becomes affordable. The mistake is to assume that you have to
have the same format throughout the production chain, but if you accept that
you want to grade rushes then there is a good argument to shoot with a very
efficient format (imagine DigiBeta or DVCPRO50 quality on a MiniDV
cassette).
At the consumer end, there is a good argument to do the same with an
intraframe version of the DV algorithm. This would avoid any concatenation
for subsequent editing on DV. The problem is (to quote Panasonic's excellent
DV compression manual) that the processor power to offer DV algorithm
quality with intraframe efficiency was not available when DV was proposed
over 10 years ago. Times change but the engineers that design products tend
to have pretty narrow viewpoints and lateral thinking is not a common
quality!
just my 2 penn'orth, I have no connection with Sony these days!
Perry Mitchell
-----Original Message-----
From: Crittenden, Jan
DV is a interframe, or frame based codec, so that each frame stands
independently. MPEG4 or 2 is an intraframe codec where it works within
Groups of Pictures. While I don't know whether the cameras you saw were
MPEG4 or MPEG2, most DVD today is MPEG2. So these cameras would be geared
to the home hobby videophile as most professionals would find that not being
able to edit on a frame by frame basis would be severely limiting. Also if
you uncompressed the signal so that you could send it into an editing
system, that used a different compression scheme, the concatenation of the
multiple compression schemes would be very apparent, and for the most part
unacceptable.

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:11:40 -0500
From: "Crittenden, Jan" [CRITTENDENJ@PANASONIC.COM]
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'" [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Latest Recordable DVD News from CES
message-ID:
Hi Everyone,
The recordable DVD Council met at CES this week, and the press release is
located here:
http://www.dvdcreation.com/cgi-bin/getframeletter.cgi?/2002/01_jan/news/dvd_
formats.htm
Upon finishing that read I wondered why DVD+RW was not mentioned and so
expanded my search to the membership of the Recordable DVD Council List and
lo, Philips, Ricoh and Sony are not there, but virtually everyone else is.
Isn't that odd? Anybody know why?
Anyhow, just thought it might be interesting since we haven't had a DVD
thread going this week and I miss it. ;-)
Best regards,
Jan

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:18:18 -0600 (CST)
From: Vidiot [brown@mrvideo.vidiot.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: HDTV
message-ID: <200201101718.g0AHIIi19957@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
Jan responded:
>Secondly, I do agree it will be difficult for every small broadcaster to do
>this DTV changeover, I don't quibble that point, and some may not make it.
>I feel bad about that. But recognize that as the FCC grants the digital
>airwaves, the analog ones go up for sale, thus contributing to the Public's
>bottom line.
This is something that I've missed in the trades and haven't gone digging
to figure it out. Maybe someone here knows.
As mentioned, after the digitals are on the air, the analog spectrum is
to be sold off. How the Hell can that happen when the analog channels and
the digital channels are intermixed? Is there a band in the spectrum that has
no digital channels? I'd have to go back through the allocation list
looking for digital channels that don't exist.
Obviously I am missing a key point here.
MB
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Date: Thu, Jan 10 2002 9:25:31 GMT-0800
From: h2ofun@h2ofun.net (Dave Campbell)
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Cc:
Subject: Re: Re: I mean early adopters
message-ID: <20020110172531400.AAA248@sds1.sierradata.com@smtp.sierradata.com>
Yep, has been for a while. Use a 169time.com modified DTC100 with a panasonic HD1000 DVHS deck. feed by a Dish 5000 with modulator and I have a large collection.
dave
>
>From: Todd Knowles [tkathome@earthlink.net>
]Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:30:47 -0700
>To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>Subject: Re: I mean early adopters
>
>There is a way to record HD broadcasts?
>
>Todd Knowles
>
>
>Dave Campbell wrote:
>>
>> I sure love taping my HD programs. Can be either HBO, showtime, CBS, ABC, NBC
>> etc. Sure dont have time to watch them.
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:25:38 -0500
From: "Crittenden, Jan" [CRITTENDENJ@PANASONIC.COM]
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'" [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: HDTV
message-ID:
Michael asked:
As mentioned, after the digitals are on the air, the analog spectrum is
to be sold off. How the Hell can that happen when the analog channels and
the digital channels are intermixed? Is there a band in the spectrum that
hasno digital channels? I'd have to go back through the allocation list
looking for digital channels that don't exist.
Once the Digital is full time, which is to be 2006, there will be no more
analog transmission. It will be dual transmission until then, but each year
the station is to make more and more of its broadcast day a digital signal.
If a station has a digital transmitter and is pumping out signals, that is
all he needs to be legal in the eyes of the FCC. He can transcode his
U-Matic to a digital transmission for all they care, although I don't
believe this is their original intent. Of course, that station may lose
market share to the stations that are in the same broadcast area that have
also changed to Digital Acquisition and Production. Quality issues will
definitely be very noticeable.
The analog channels are at a different frequency spectrum than the Digital
ones and thus the analog ones can be sold for other commercial enterprise.
Hope that helps,
Jan
Jan
Obviously I am missing a key point here.
MB
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:42:32 -0700
From: "George Loch" [george@halescreative.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Recommended DVD authoring for windows
message-ID: <00ae01c199fe$2ec6adc0$10b6bad0@halescreative.com>
I am evaluating dvd authoring solutions for windows and was looking for
recommendations. I have tried the demo of dvdit and it works fine but seems
pretty consumer oriented. I have used DSP on the mac and so, I would like
something equivilent to that on windows. Ideas?
Thanks
George Loch

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:44:51 -0600 (CST)
From: Vidiot [brown@mrvideo.vidiot.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: HDTV
message-ID: <200201101744.g0AHiqc20077@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
Jan responded:
>As mentioned, after the digitals are on the air, the analog spectrum is
>analog transmission. It will be dual transmission until then, but each year
>the station is to make more and more of its broadcast day a digital signal.
>If a station has a digital transmitter and is pumping out signals, that is
>all he needs to be legal in the eyes of the FCC. He can transcode his
>U-Matic to a digital transmission for all they care, although I don't
>believe this is their original intent. Of course, that station may lose
>market share to the stations that are in the same broadcast area that have
>also changed to Digital Acquisition and Production. Quality issues will
>definitely be very noticeable.
This part I know :-)
>The analog channels are at a different frequency spectrum than the Digital
>ones and thus the analog ones can be sold for other commercial enterprise.
Therein lies the problem, as this is not true. Here in Madison, and Bruce
can correct me on the WHA allocation, WKOW-TV has 27 for analog and 26 for
digital. WHA has 21 for analog and 22 for digital. WMSN has 47 for
analog and, I believe, 11 for digital. And WISC has 3 for analog and
50-something for digital. I don't know what the UPN affiliate has for
its allocation
That why I asked the question, since the allocations that I've seen don't
make sense for returning spectrum for sale.
MB
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:34:23 -0500
From: "Crittenden, Jan" [CRITTENDENJ@PANASONIC.COM]
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'" [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: HDTV
message-ID:
I wrote:>The analog channels are at a different frequency spectrum than the
Digital ones and thus the analog ones can be sold for other commercial
enterprise.
MB wrote:
Therein lies the problem, as this is not true. Here in Madison, and Bruce
can correct me on the WHA allocation, WKOW-TV has 27 for analog and 26 for
digital. WHA has 21 for analog and 22 for digital. WMSN has 47 for
analog and, I believe, 11 for digital. And WISC has 3 for analog and
50-something for digital. I don't know what the UPN affiliate has for
its allocation.
That why I asked the question, since the allocations that I've seen don't
make sense for returning spectrum for sale.
Me: Okay, so I was as little too broad in my original statement and perhaps
spectrum wasn't the right word but frequency is. You are right Michael, it
is in the same spectrum but the digital transmissions are allocated to the
unused channels in an area. So if you had analog broadcasts on 2,4,7,9,
Digital could go to 3,5,6,8,10 etc. In some areas like Washington, DC where
there are allot of low numbers already filled, they went to the higher UHF
channels/frequencies. Now in 2006 when they turn the analog channels off,
all of the stations that are in the upper frequencies will be reassigned to
the lower channels. Then the Higher UHF channels will be sold.
Hope that helps,
Jan

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:31:15 -0600 (CST)
From: Vidiot [brown@mrvideo.vidiot.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: HDTV
message-ID: <200201101931.g0AJVGj20681@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
Jan responded:
>Okay, so I was as little too broad in my original statement and perhaps
>spectrum wasn't the right word but frequency is. You are right Michael, it
>is in the same spectrum but the digital transmissions are allocated to the
>unused channels in an area. So if you had analog broadcasts on 2,4,7,9,
>Digital could go to 3,5,6,8,10 etc. In some areas like Washington, DC where
>there are allot of low numbers already filled, they went to the higher UHF
>channels/frequencies. Now in 2006 when they turn the analog channels off,
>all of the stations that are in the upper frequencies will be reassigned to
>the lower channels. Then the Higher UHF channels will be sold.
I'll bet that 2006 comes and goes and the analog channels will still be there.
There is no way that 85% penetration is going to happen within four years.
I wondered if they were going to reallocate. The stations involved must be
loving the extra expense. Those antenna are not cheap, not cheap at all.
Then there is the cost of getting it on the tower and the wave guide to
get the signal there, let alone the transmitter refit costs.
If I were a station, I'd never sign up for that and would send Congress
the bill for causing the problem. Can you imagine a small station having to
do this? It would cause them to go under.
The last thing I want is more commercial clutter to try and pay for all this.
MB
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:47:51 -0700
From: "George Loch" [george@halescreative.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: OT Free Maya
message-ID: <011201c19a0f$b0900520$10b6bad0@halescreative.com>
This is a great idea. It help to combat the pirating problem they have.
George Loch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy King" [a.king@cowan.edu.au]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 6:16 AM
Subject: OT may be of benefit to students.instructors etc.
> Hi all from West Oz,
>
> Off Topic ...forgive me ...
> As from February Maya is available for download
> from AliasWavefront for free....
> Non commercial use only.
> Images created will be watermarked.
> Mac OSX and Windows supported.
> here's the URL
>
>
http://www.aliaswavefront.com/en/Community/Special/ple_announce/index.html#h
>
> Thanks for all your help in the past.
>
> Andy King
> http://larkrise.tripod.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:54:08 -0000
From: "Ian Petchey"
To: [dv-l@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re : Capturing stills using firewire
message-ID:
>>Shouldn't be a problem with the GR-DVL9000, its does a progresive scan
>>whatsit, so each frame is an entire image.
>Yes, but does it send out the complete frame? I'm assuming that the camera
>is not a full-time progressive scan camera, meaning that you can configure
it
>to shoot interlaced or progressive scan. If so, the still function may only
>display a field, since it won't know what mode the tape was recorded in.
>Check it to make sure what it will do during freezes. Just look at a TV
>screen to determine that. It is easy to see if it goes into field freeze
>mode, especially on diagonal edges.
>>>I'm sure there are cheaper packages that also let you save stills. Hell,
>>>if you capture as QuickTime files, the QT player will let you save
stills.
>>
>>I was thinking along the lines of getting the image on screen then
pressing
>>prtscn.....
>>Ian.
>You can't be serious. You gotta be joking. The :-) is missing, right?!
Ahem, I take that to mean it was a silly idea. But then, I have never seen
any of this software running so I do not know what to expect.
Anyway, to cut a long story short I went out and bought the cheapest
firewire card I could find, (Philex Electronics 4 port PCI card). Hooked it
up to my trusty PC and tried to find the easiest way to capture still from
my tape. Quite straight forward really, opened "my computer", opened the
camera, got to the point on the tape I wanted and clicked on "take photo".
Job done.
The results are not particulally impressive, but they are just as good as
hooking the camera but using the JLIP cable and much much faster.
Thanks for all the tips.........
Ian.

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:15:35 -0800
From: tim.haupt@philips.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Cc: dp_dvl@hotmail.com
Subject: re: Anti-Static Measures Needed
message-ID:
My workplace as invested considerable sums in anti-static carpeting, for those work areas that deal with computer or PCB work (anything where circuitry is exposed). This is probably cost-prohibitive for most companys, and certainly all but the richest
schools. I know there are spray-on carpet treatments, but understand these must be re-applied regualarly as they are only effective for a few months.
The cheap alternative that I have always used, is to remove my shoes when working on electronics gear (or simply don't want to get shocked everytime I touch a grounded metal object). The rubber soles on shoes are wonderful insulators, turning the wearer
into a nice large capacitor. By only having socks on, there is never enough charge built up to the point where a shock would be felt.
Note this does not necessarily mean you are safe for handling sensitive electronic components or circuit boards. While most PCBs have diode protection on the I/O pins, some circuits can be damaged by voltage discharges under 100 volts, while it takes a
discharge of several thousand volts before the user would feel a shock (I've got the accurate figures buried in a file here, somewhere).
When handling PCBs I'll do the right thing and use an anti-static strap. There are also anti-static booties or heel guards that can be worn over shoes (normally intended to be used in conjunction with anti-static flooring), which would effectively
provide the same level of shock prevention as the socks, so probably would be effective against shock annoyances with regular carpeting.
Tim Haupt
tim.hautp@philips.com
- - - - - - - - - -
-----Original Message-----
From: D P [mailto:dp_dvl@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 4:23 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Anti-Static Measures Needed
Does anyone out there have first hand experience in dealing with
static guarding a carpet? Our Video and Animation labs get
very static-y in the winter (we have the standard industrial grey
wall to wall carpet). It's a miracle that nobody has killed a computer
yet, as students have gotten shocks inserting zips and other media.
Any hints would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
DP

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:09:42 -0500
From: "Videoguy" [videoguy@concentric.net]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Free Software Links
message-ID:
Guys,
Just wanted to let you know I've just updated our FREE software page. I
searched the internet for FREE trial and evaluation versions of software I
feel are useful for digital videographers. We've got links to over 27
different downloads, in 5 different categories:
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:29:20 -0800
From: tim.haupt@philips.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Cc: dp_dvl@hotmail.com
Subject: re: Anti-Static Measures Needed
message-ID:
The other thing that occurred to me: as you mentioned, the students getting shocked is only perceived as a problem during winter months, when the humidity is low. A fairly low cost, no hassle, non-smelly (shoe off) solution is to use a humidifier to
bring the humidity up. I suggest also a humidity meter to monitor the level. You will probably find that anything over 25% or 30% humidity level will eliminate problems, and it's not too difficult to achieve that with a low cost humidifier.
Tim Haupt
tim.hautp@philips.com

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:09:14 +0000
From: Dave Hawley [dave-h@cwcom.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: fat32/w2k
message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020110210051.00b28960@localhost>
Hi All,
Just to confirm Stephen van Vuuren's posting pasted below, I have a dual
boot machine, with Windows 98 First Edition and Windows 2000, and have had
no problem using drives of 34GB and 56GB in either operating system. I did
format them in Windows 98 though, after creating a single secondary
partition on them using Fdisk, that rather frightening DOS program. I've
not tried doing it in Windows 2000, but next time I will just to see what
happens. I'm very surprised that Windows 98 can do this and Windows 2000
can't. Surely Windows 2000 is supposed to be the more fully featured version?
Cheers,
Dave Hawley.
>
>
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:13:22 -0500
From: "Stephen van Vuuren" [stephen@xiveren.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: fat32/w2k
Message-ID: <000801c19857$03ca4990$4423a8c0@dell420>
When I was beta testing Win2K drivers for the RT2000, I had a triple boot
system (Windows ME, Windows 98SE and Win2K). I formatted 40 & 75 GB FAT32
drives under Windows ME that Win2K recognized just fine (though it would not
format them).
stephen
>

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:31:16 -0500
From: "Walt" [wwimberly@cfl.rr.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: DSR-30 problem
message-ID: <003601c19a1e$270f6020$6501a8c0@cfl.rr.com>
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I called Sony and talked to a tech and he thinks the heads are bad. =
Unfortunately that deck repair is time and material repair only, no flat =
rate, and it would be at least 4 hours at $120 per hour for labor plus =
parts. It sounds like a minimum of $1000 to as much as $2000 to repair. =
They couldn't tell me how much the parts would be if the telephone =
diagnosis were correct. I've got to find a more reasonable solution or =
just buy a new deck. Sony has just dropped some points in my opinion =
poll. I would expect a lot more than 100 hours use before a major cost =
failure like this one has turned out to be.
Walt
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Subject: Re: DSR-30 problem
I just had a DSR20 repaired by the Sony service center (in Georgia - =
serving the East Coast) for a flat rate of $450.00. It was a relatively =
minor repair (tape jam), but I had lost confidence in the local Sony =
"authorized" repair centers in NYC. The few old standbys that I did =
force myself to call said that they weren't even authorized to repair DV =
equipment.
The number for Sony is 770-263-8016
Good Luck, DP

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:06:11 -0800
From: Ron [gMedia.DV@verizon.net]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: DSR-30 problem
message-ID:
I'm really surprised that the reset button didn't fix it. Mine was doing the
same type of thing and that did the trick.
Don't take one person's word for it-Shop around for a better price.

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:01:12 -0500
From: CPJ_II [charles.pope2@sympatico.ca]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: HDTV
message-ID: [3C3E0F28.48B6499A@sympatico.ca]
"Crittenden, Jan" wrote:
>
> ......I do agree it will be difficult for every small broadcaster to do
> this DTV changeover, I don't quibble that point, and some may not make it.
> I feel bad about that. But recognize that as the FCC grants the digital
> airwaves, the analog ones go up for sale, thus contributing to the Public's
> bottom line.
It's worth noting that in some US locations different stations
(typically, smaller network affiliates) are sharing single transmission
(and perhaps other) facilities -- which, for obvious reasons, makes a
lot of sense at this time.
> All in all, we are still very much at the beginning and not the end.
Very true, but already the new beginning at its best (eg, the best DVDs
and current DTV broadcasting) is *way* better than what was available to
consumers only a decade ago, so I don't think it's fair to say the
public is being shafted. The component/digital formats (as most
subscribers to this mailig list well know) have given a new lease on
life even to standard-definition video (NTSC and PAL), never mind what
HiDef will eventually deliver.
Of course if people expect miracles from TV sets that are 15-30 years
old and watch only analog cable and rented VHS tapes, they shouldn't be
complaining. There are no free rides for anyone, and while not everyone
can afford the new hi-scan TVs from the major manufacturers, even the
low-to-mid-price new sets are far superior to their counterparts from
only a few years back.
Charles

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:04:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Charos [charos@yahoo.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: DVD camcorders
message-ID: <20020110220421.73366.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com>
I am not so sure about the "interframe problems".
Seems that an editing system could build-to the frame
in question.
Technical details aside (I know, I really am just an
amateur), sounds intriguing.
My studio would be made up of mechanically simple disk
units, and the same codec would exist end to end.
Random access /and/ machine readable indexes on
everything. No content downloading. Same analog
cameras and switchers as I have now, but Mpeg2
everywhere else. Yum.
The billion dollar WTNH station down the road uses
BetaSX with pretty good results. Even compared to
amateur work such as mine :)
Is WTNH's BetaSX Mpeg2 codec non-temporally based, or
does their computer editing system deal with this
using a computer to figure out the 'tweens?
Thanks in advance.
- Bill Carpenter
Athena Productions
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:01:21 -0800
From: "Bob England" [bigwooly1@hotmail.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: Cheap DVD-R Media
message-ID:
> >> On Dec.31, I ordered 50 DVD-R's and one 9.4GB double sided DVD-R
> >
> >Is a double-sided DVD-R anything more (conceptually) than two
> >single-sided DVD-R's pasted together? Does the DVD burner or
> >DVD player even know that there is a double-sided DVD in the
> >drive?
> > Michael Bender E-Mail: Michael.Bender@sun.com
>
> Double-sided, two glued together. Burner only knows a side at a time,
> which is no different than your DVD player. For commercial use,
> double-sided discs have mostly been used for Letterbox on one side
> and puke-n-scan on the other. For longer titles, dual layer is used.
> There is a maximum of 4 layers, two on each side of the disc.
>
> MB
All DVDs consist of two polycarbonate platters glued together, each platter
being half the thickness of a CD; I believe this is part of the DVD Spec. On
single-sided DVDs the top platter has the label on it or (in the case of some
generic DVD-Rs) nothing at all. Defects can occur with the adhesive, as I
recently had happen when a Pioneer DVD-R came apart.
Bob England

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:50:26 -0500
From: david [tughollow@bigplanet.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DSR-30 problem
message-ID:
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on 1/9/02 5:03 PM, D P at dp_dvl@hotmail.com wrote:
I just had a DSR20 repaired by the Sony service center (in Georgia - serving
the East Coast) for a flat rate of $450.00. It was a relatively minor repair
(tape jam), but I had lost confidence in the local Sony "authorized" repair
centers in NYC. The few old standbys that I did force myself to call said
that they weren't even authorized to repair DV equipment.
The number for Sony is 770-263-8016
Good Luck, DP
77
Hello: I contact Sony broadcast home office this morning and the individual
whom I know was out yet I received a call from one of the people who work
with him. I was out when he called and thus we did not talk. I will know
more tomorrow and will report on what occurred. Tughollow
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:15:05 -0600
From: Jeff Economy [economy@ripco.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Cheap DVD-R Media
message-ID:
This sounds like the dreaded "laser rot" that plagued some laserdiscs,
rendering them noisy at best and unplayable at worst. Has anyone seen
any body of evidence that DVDs are susceptible to this in the long term?
Jeff
>All DVDs consist of two polycarbonate platters glued together, each platter
>being half the thickness of a CD; I believe this is part of the DVD Spec. On
>single-sided DVDs the top platter has the label on it or (in the case of some
>generic DVD-Rs) nothing at all. Defects can occur with the adhesive, as I
>recently had happen when a Pioneer DVD-R came apart.

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:24:36 -0800
From: Ron [gMedia.DV@verizon.net]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: DSR-30 problem
message-ID:
Geez seems high for a tape jam-
Do you know if there is still flat rate repair for the VX1000? I have one
that has a minor problem with the built in vcr control (remote works ok) but
I want to get the best bang for the buck if I have to sent it in. You prob
can't tell them what you want to be repaired/replaced right? Would be nice
to get the heads and the problematic viewfinder ribbon replaced at the same
time.
on 1/10/02 1:50 PM, david at tughollow@bigplanet.com wrote:
I just had a DSR20 repaired by the Sony service center (in Georgia - serving
the East Coast) for a flat rate of $450.00. It was a relatively minor repair
(tape jam), but I had lost confidence in the local Sony "authorized" repair
centers in NYC. The few old standbys that I did force myself to call said
that they weren't even authorized to repair DV equipment.
The number for Sony is 770-263-8016

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:52:00 -0800
From: DV-hobbyist [DV-hobbyist@sbcglobal.net]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: DVD camcorders
message-ID:
Thanx all for the responses. I never knew anything about the intra-frame
compression of MPEG-2. Thanx folks for an enlightening thread.

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:11:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Charos [charos@yahoo.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: HDTV
message-ID: <20020110231132.55414.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com>
No offense, but who wants it? I have a beautiful NTSC
based video projector that I love to watch on a large
wall (especially DVD based material), and a nice Sony
Wega monitor that is so very sharp.
I must admit, HD sounds sort-of interesting in print,
but when I go to CircutCity, the HD sets don't look
much better than the other good SD sets. In some cases
up-converted NTSC to HD looks /worse/ on a small HDTV
set than HD does on a big SD set (after it has been
down-sampled)!
All of my video equipment captures this SD NTSC soup,
and some of them work pretty well (after I close my
new home I am saving for a DVD/-R-RW+R+RW set-top
box).
From reading about the HD recorder, it is clear that
the broadcasters do not even want us consumers
recording their signals under this format. Oh, boy!
More copy protection! More laws against personal
rights!
HD Recorder Link Here:
169time.com
Who really gains? I'd say the consumer video equipment
manufacturers stands to gain /something/ (in the form
of new equipment sales), but who else? Maybe the
lawyers for the Justice Department too.
And how many so-called HD standards exist right now?
More than one, that's for sure.
And I need HD for what?
I know! Let's concentrate on content for a while until
this thing makes sense. Who does not gain? The
manufacturing industry. Maybe the Justice Department,
if you want to look at it that way.
- Bill Carpenter
Athena Productions
P.S. I hope this was not too grumpy sounding!
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:25:27 -0500
From: Jeff Hamman [jhamman@earthlink.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Farewell & Suggestions
message-ID:
Folks,
I am in the Naval Reserve as a Hospital Corpsman Chief.
I have been recalled to active duty in support of the war
on terrorism to report in a few weeks. At least one year and
maybe more. I will be attached to the USMC, 2nd MEU (2nd Marine
Expeditionary Unit) as medical support staff with a USMC line
company.
It appears I will be with 2/23 (2nd Battalion, 23rd Marines)
and go to CLNC (Camp Lejeune, NC) and use that as a staging area
for a future operation. As for deploying the rumors are flying
Afghanistan, Medfloat, Philippines, Somalia, Iraq, Okinawa,
Gitmo, etc. (This is ONLY speculation, because no one really
know for sure yet). I may even stay in the states as backfill
for active duty. I will probably not be able to get word to
anyone or even say where I am going if deployed, for security
reasons obviously.
Believe it or not, I am looking forward to it, so I'm
upbeat. I guess it gives me a chance to contribute in this
war on terrorism.
I am going to try to bring my pocket sized video camera
should an interesting opportunity present itself. This was
why I asked about the smallest 3 chip MiniDV camcorder. My
one CCD Canon Elura may not do so well in low light.
I figured since press pool access to forward areas of
operations are restricted, I may be in a unique situation
to capture something noteworthy.
I don't know what I will be getting into yet, and I have
primary duties of medical responsibilities, but if I'm in
some forward deployed capacity, I may try to create a nice
documentary of the entire deployment over the course of the
year.
Apart from "bullets and bombs", I am hoping there may be
something along the lines of medical immunizations to refugee
children or something such as this. I am making arrangements
to have anything screened or declassified as to not violate
any DoD policies of security. I will work with USN/USMC
public affairs video division (Visual Information) on the
screening of anything captured.
Any suggestions that you all may have, on something I
could market "spec" to PBS or Discovery, I am all ears. I'd
really appreciate any ideas or thoughts you all may have as
to what angle may be interesting to the public. I have to
sign off this list in a few days and pack up my computer for
storage, but I would like to hear input before I do so.
Semper Fi
Jeff Hamman
Curator/Webmaster
Beirut Memorial On Line
http://www.beirut-memorial.org/
_/_/_/_/ Our First Duty is to Remember _/_/_/_/
_/_/_/_/ (motto of Beirut Veterans of America) _/_/_/_/

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Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:21:31 +1000
From: "Carter, Gil" [gjcarter@rsasecurity.com.au]
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'" [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: DVD camcorders
message-ID: <9DDBE39552A9D411B6F400508BAF55C2013F9E50@exaus01.local.aus.rsa.com>
Surely DV data rates would kill the feasibility of doing this?
We used an IBM 1GB microdrive in a Nikon D1x at my last job, and it was
fabulous for stills - same form factor as a normal CF card and it could
store literally hundreds of the huge images the D1x produces. However, at
3.6MB/sec for DV, I figure that you'd only get about five minutes of DV
footage onto this sized drive - and AFAIK, genuine CF cards max out at about
128MB.
Or am I missing something obvious?
Gil
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Doggett [mailto:jmdoggett@mediaone.net]
> Sent: Friday, 11 January 2002 1:54 AM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: RE: DVD camcorders
>
>
>
> I wonder how long it will be until they have a
> camcorder that uses compact flash. It can't be too far away.
>
> Jay
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DV-hobbyist [mailto:DV-hobbyist@sbcglobal.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 6:25 AM
> > To: DV Mailing List
> > Subject: DVD camcorders
> >
> >
> > Has this been mentioned before? I thought that this might
> be something
> > y'all'd be interested in hearing. From MacNN.com:
> >
> > "Hitachi unveils three DVD camcorders at CES
> >

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:26:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Charos [charos@yahoo.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: HDTV
message-ID: <20020110232652.59649.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com>
Jan,
Is Panasonic even selling the PV-HD1000 DVHS VCR?
There is an (out of stock) page about the VHS cassette
for the unit, but no dealers listed for it and
Panasonic says they know nothing about it.
Is there a new DVHS recorder in the works? If the unit
was cancelled, was it for sales numbers or
political/content duplication reasons?
Thanks in advance.
- Bill Carpenter
Athena Productions
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:39:36 -0800
From: "Bob England" [bigwooly1@hotmail.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: HDTV
message-ID:
> Jan responded:
>
> >Okay, so I was as little too broad in my original statement and perhaps
> >spectrum wasn't the right word but frequency is. You are right Michael, it
> >is in the same spectrum but the digital transmissions are allocated to the
> >unused channels in an area. So if you had analog broadcasts on 2,4,7,9,
> >Digital could go to 3,5,6,8,10 etc. In some areas like Washington, DC where
> >there are allot of low numbers already filled, they went to the higher UHF
> >channels/frequencies. Now in 2006 when they turn the analog channels off,
> >all of the stations that are in the upper frequencies will be reassigned to
> >the lower channels. Then the Higher UHF channels will be sold.
>
> I'll bet that 2006 comes and goes and the analog channels will still be there.
> There is no way that 85% penetration is going to happen within four years.
>
> I wondered if they were going to reallocate. The stations involved must be
> loving the extra expense. Those antenna are not cheap, not cheap at all.
> Then there is the cost of getting it on the tower and the wave guide to
> get the signal there, let alone the transmitter refit costs.
>
> If I were a station, I'd never sign up for that and would send Congress
> the bill for causing the problem. Can you imagine a small station having to
> do this? It would cause them to go under.
>
> The last thing I want is more commercial clutter to try and pay for all this.
>
> MB
Here's another explanation I found on the FCC's website:
(for the full FAQ, go to http://www.fcc.gov/oet/faqs/dtvfaqs.html)
----------------------------
Question: What are the channel assignments for digital television?
Answer: Under the FCC spectrum plan, we have provided most existing broadcasters
with access to a 6 MHz channel for digital broadcasting within a core digital TV
spectrum, i.e., TV channels 2 to 51. Because of the limited availability of
spectrum and the need to accommodate all existing facilities with minimal
interference among stations, however, during the transition some broadcasters
would be provided DTV channels outside of this core spectrum (channels 52 to
69). These broadcasters would have to move their DTV operations to a channel in
the core spectrum when one became available. Broadcasters whose existing NTSC
channels were in the core spectrum could move their DTV operations to their NTSC
channel at some time in the future. Broadcasters whose DTV transition channel
and existing NTSC channel were both outside of the core area could obtain a new
DTV channel when channels in the core spectrum are recovered.
After the transition period (2006), the VHF channels (2-13) will remain
available for DTV and the analog TV service will end on all channels.
----------------------------
Bob England

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:43:20 -0000
From: "Perry Mitchell" [perry.mitchell@btinternet.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: DVD camcorders
message-ID:
SX MPEG2 is a perfectly standard variation based upon a 2 frame GOP. The
edit decks have some hardware to still allow frame accurate editing. The
transmission variation of MPEG2 uses much longer GOP values for higher
compression and more bandwidth efficiency.
Perry Mitchell
-----Original Message-----
From: Charos(Bill Carpenter)
The billion dollar WTNH station down the road uses
BetaSX with pretty good results. Even compared to
amateur work such as mine :)
Is WTNH's BetaSX Mpeg2 codec non-temporally based, or
does their computer editing system deal with this
using a computer to figure out the 'tweens?

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:49:29 -0800
From: "Mike Falconer" [falcon1@dsl-only.net]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: Farewell & Suggestions
message-ID:
My suggestion is to look not so much for the smallest, but the most robust
and the most easily used and consumer friendly...read flip out screen and
automatic focus. The reason I say that is that I'll bet that there will be
quite a few times that you end up handing the camera to someone standing
around and ask them to shoot you doing something.
Best of luck.
Mike Falconer
From: Jeff Hamman [mailto:jhamman@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:25 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Farewell & Suggestions
Folks,
I am in the Naval Reserve as a Hospital Corpsman Chief.
I have been recalled to active duty in support of the war
on terrorism to report in a few weeks. At least one year and
maybe more. I will be attached to the USMC, 2nd MEU (2nd Marine
Expeditionary Unit) as medical support staff with a USMC line
company.
It appears I will be with 2/23 (2nd Battalion, 23rd Marines)
and go to CLNC (Camp Lejeune, NC) and use that as a staging area
for a future operation. As for deploying the rumors are flying
Afghanistan, Medfloat, Philippines, Somalia, Iraq, Okinawa,
Gitmo, etc. (This is ONLY speculation, because no one really
know for sure yet). I may even stay in the states as backfill
for active duty. I will probably not be able to get word to
anyone or even say where I am going if deployed, for security
reasons obviously.
Believe it or not, I am looking forward to it, so I'm
upbeat. I guess it gives me a chance to contribute in this
war on terrorism.
I am going to try to bring my pocket sized video camera
should an interesting opportunity present itself. This was
why I asked about the smallest 3 chip MiniDV camcorder. My
one CCD Canon Elura may not do so well in low light.
I figured since press pool access to forward areas of
operations are restricted, I may be in a unique situation
to capture something noteworthy.
I don't know what I will be getting into yet, and I have
primary duties of medical responsibilities, but if I'm in
some forward deployed capacity, I may try to create a nice
documentary of the entire deployment over the course of the
year.
Apart from "bullets and bombs", I am hoping there may be
something along the lines of medical immunizations to refugee
children or something such as this. I am making arrangements
to have anything screened or declassified as to not violate
any DoD policies of security. I will work with USN/USMC
public affairs video division (Visual Information) on the
screening of anything captured.
Any suggestions that you all may have, on something I
could market "spec" to PBS or Discovery, I am all ears. I'd
really appreciate any ideas or thoughts you all may have as
to what angle may be interesting to the public. I have to
sign off this list in a few days and pack up my computer for
storage, but I would like to hear input before I do so.
Semper Fi
Jeff Hamman
Curator/Webmaster
Beirut Memorial On Line
http://www.beirut-memorial.org/
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:41:52 -0700
From: Bruce Sturgill [bsturg@easystreet.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org], George Loch [george@halescreative.com]
Subject: Re: Recommended DVD authoring for windows
message-ID: [B86366BF.70BF%bsturg@easystreet.com>
] I am evaluating dvd authoring solutions for windows and was looking for
> recommendations. I have tried the demo of dvdit and it works fine but seems
> pretty consumer oriented. I have used DSP on the mac and so, I would like
> something equivilent to that on windows. Ideas?
>
> Thanks
>
> George Loch
You might take a look at ReelDVD from Sonic. It's a little more money than
DSP but has similar features.
Hope this helps,
Bruce
____________________________________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:57:12 -0800
From: h2ofun@h2ofun.net (Dave Campbell)
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: HDTV
message-ID: [3C3E2A58.EB5F0BE5@h2ofun.net]
It has not been sold for years. Rumor has it Panasonic was pressured to stop selling the
units from you can guess who.
dave
Charos wrote:
> Jan,
>
> Is Panasonic even selling the PV-HD1000 DVHS VCR?
> There is an (out of stock) page about the VHS cassette
> for the unit, but no dealers listed for it and
> Panasonic says they know nothing about it.
>
> Is there a new DVHS recorder in the works? If the unit
> was cancelled, was it for sales numbers or
> political/content duplication reasons?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> - Bill Carpenter
> Athena Productions
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:57:39 EST
From: ADReiff@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Cheap DVD-R Media
message-ID: [83.15291b92.296f8473@aol.com]
In a message dated 1/10/02 12:07:52 PM Hawaiian Standard Time,
bigwooly1@hotmail.com writes:
<< Defects can occur with the adhesive, as I
recently had happen when a Pioneer DVD-R came apart. >>
A complete outer seal of the disc is important. Oxidation was a problem
degrading mismanufactured cd discs from the start. Poor quality control at
the edges of the disc leaving pinhole openings to the air was the main cause,
I have been told.
adreiff
13th floor

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:05:51 -0800
From: Ron [gMedia.DV@verizon.net]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: Farewell & Suggestions
message-ID:
I really like my Sony PC-5 for it's size, features and great picture (for a
1/4" chip. Low light it's OK but in no light the 0 lux night vision is cool.
You can get batteries that last a long time for it too. I rarely touch my
old VX1000 any more.
Post some picture somewhere when you can.

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:05:20 -1000
From: Doc Del [docdel@maui.net]
To: "DV-L@dvcentral.org" [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: [Fwd: 9.4gig Dual Sided DVD-r Hub Labels]
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Richard Lin - This is the reply from
recordablemedia.com regarding the hub-type labels
for the dual sided DVD-r's. Polyline also told me
they do not know who would carry such. Is there
anyway you can find the source from that video
store you spoke of? I have exhausted my sources.
Thanks!
Doc Del
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From: "Marco Frascione" [marco@recordablemedia.com]
To: "Doc Del" [docdel@maui.net]
Subject: RE: 9.4gig Dual Sided DVD-r Hub Labels
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Hello,
Unfortunatley, at this point we do not carry any
labels for the hub. I do not know who does.
If you are able to locate a source, you can label
the hub without any interference to the disc itself.
Regards,
Marco@recordablemedia.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Doc Del [mailto:docdel@maui.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:24 PM
To: productinfo@cd-recordable.com
Subject: 9.4gig Dual Sided DVD-r Hub Labels
Yesterday I had ordered 50 dual sided 9.4gig DVD-r
disks(along with other items) from your company.
However I had forgotton to ask about a source of
labels for the hub of these disks to identify for
my customers the title and which side is which. I
did not see any such product on your site. IF you
do not handle this item could you please direct me
to a source that does, please? IF you do NOT
recommend the use of this type of labels for any
reason, please let me know.
Thank you very much!
Brian Dellaport
249 B Kula Highway
Kula, HI 96790
808-878-3563
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:18:38 -0800
From: Bob Currier [rcurrier@synthetic-ap.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: Cheap DVD-R Media
message-ID: <20020111001838.10602@smtp.synthetic-ap.com>
On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 12:49 AM, Richard Lin [richard@3forces.com> wrote:
]I think I discovered at my local rental store are self adhesive labels
>around the hubs of the DVD's. This allows barcoding and store
>identification. I thought this was kind of cool. Now if I could just find
>a source for them. Does Polyline sell this stuff?
Check out Veriad (used to be UAL):
www.veriad.com/product/ProductCategory.jsp?BranchId=93>
They're called "CD Core Labels" and are in the long list of CD/DVD/MiniDV
labels you'll see.
I've been using their labels for years and find that they feed well
through the printer, and the adhesive stays stuck, which isn't the case
for a lot of labels.
-----
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Synthetic Aperture voice: +1 949 493-3444
http://www.synthetic-ap.com/ fax: +1 949 203-2108
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:20:58 -1000
From: Doc Del [docdel@maui.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Cheap DVD-R Media
message-ID: [3C3E2FEA.9BE890D4@maui.net]
Thank you very much, Bob!
Doc Del
Bob Currier wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 12:49 AM, Richard Lin [richard@3forces.com> wrote:
]
> >I think I discovered at my local rental store are self adhesive labels
> >around the hubs of the DVD's. This allows barcoding and store
> >identification. I thought this was kind of cool. Now if I could just find
> >a source for them. Does Polyline sell this stuff?
>
> Check out Veriad (used to be UAL):
>
> www.veriad.com/product/ProductCategory.jsp?BranchId=93>
>
> They're called "CD Core Labels" and are in the long list of CD/DVD/MiniDV
> labels you'll see.
>
> I've been using their labels for years and find that they feed well
> through the printer, and the adhesive stays stuck, which isn't the case
> for a lot of labels.
>
> -----
> Bob Currier rcurrier@synthetic-ap.com
> Synthetic Aperture voice: +1 949 493-3444
> http://www.synthetic-ap.com/ fax: +1 949 203-2108
>
> Color Finesse
> Advanced Color Correction for After Effects and Final Cut Pro
>
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:54:20 -0800
From: "Bob England" [bigwooly1@hotmail.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: Recommended DVD authoring for windows
message-ID:
> I am evaluating dvd authoring solutions for windows and was looking for
> recommendations. I have tried the demo of dvdit and it works fine but seems
> pretty consumer oriented. I have used DSP on the mac and so, I would like
> something equivilent to that on windows. Ideas?
>
> Thanks
>
> George Loch
I've been looking for the same thing - the Windows equivalent of DVDSP.
A good candidate seems to be Sonic's ReelDVD. This is a program they aquired
from Daiken, so they don't seem to be promoting it very much. Info can be had
at: http://www.sonic.com/reel_home.htm
Bob England

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:06:15 -0800
From: Kevin Marks [kmarks@apple.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Cc: George Loch [george@halescreative.com]
Subject: Re: Recommended DVD authoring for windows
message-ID: <69455138-062F-11D6-AAEF-00039348D666@apple.com>
You could buy the new iMac for the cost of ReelDVD and a burner...
On Thursday, January 10, 2002, at 02:41 PM, Bruce Sturgill wrote:
>
>> I am evaluating dvd authoring solutions for windows and was looking for
>> recommendations. I have tried the demo of dvdit and it works fine but
>> seems
>> pretty consumer oriented. I have used DSP on the mac and so, I would
>> like
>> something equivilent to that on windows. Ideas?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> George Loch
>
> You might take a look at ReelDVD from Sonic. It's a little more money
> than
> DSP but has similar features.

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:12:41 -0700
From: "Nancy L. Spoolman" [nanc@spoolman.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: OT may be of benefit to students.instructors etc.
message-ID:
hmmmm..... our district just bought it for five of our PC's and one
for my Mac. Interesting! Well, now I can work with it on my computer
here at home, too.
>Hi all from West Oz,
>
>Off Topic ...forgive me ...
>As from February Maya is available for download
>from AliasWavefront for free....
>Non commercial use only.
>Images created will be watermarked.
>Mac OSX and Windows supported.
>here's the URL
>
>http://www.aliaswavefront.com/en/Community/Special/ple_announce/index.html#h
--
Nanc
"Sorrow looks back. Worry looks around. Faith looks UP!"

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:21:47 -0600
From: Kirk [klohse@tc.cc.tx.us]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Cheap DVD-R Media
message-ID: [3C3E3E2B.7080701@tc.cc.tx.us]
Hooray for you Doc! Put a(nother) feather in your cap!
Regards,
Kirk Lohse
digitalEYE productions
Doc Del wrote:
> Thank you very much, Bob!
>
> Doc Del
>
> Bob Currier wrote:
>
>
>>On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 12:49 AM, Richard Lin [richard@3forces.com> wrote:
]>
>>
>>>I think I discovered at my local rental store are self adhesive labels
>>>around the hubs of the DVD's. This allows barcoding and store
>>>identification. I thought this was kind of cool. Now if I could just find
>>>a source for them. Does Polyline sell this stuff?
>>>
>>Check out Veriad (used to be UAL):
>>
>>www.veriad.com/product/ProductCategory.jsp?BranchId=93>
>>
>>They're called "CD Core Labels" and are in the long list of CD/DVD/MiniDV
>>labels you'll see.
>>
>>I've been using their labels for years and find that they feed well
>>through the printer, and the adhesive stays stuck, which isn't the case
>>for a lot of labels.
>>
>>-----
>>Bob Currier rcurrier@synthetic-ap.com
>>Synthetic Aperture voice: +1 949 493-3444
>>http://www.synthetic-ap.com/ fax: +1 949 203-2108
>>
>> Color Finesse
>> Advanced Color Correction for After Effects and Final Cut Pro
>>
>>
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>
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Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 02:40:08 +0100
From: "Ton Guiking" [guiking@xs4all.nl]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: Latest Recordable DVD News from CES
message-ID: <001201c19a40$e8241db0$c4a16dc2@msi>
Jan Crittenden wrote:
> Anyhow, just thought it might be interesting since we haven't
> had a DVD thread going this week and I miss it. ;-)
>
Always eager to serve you Jan...:-)
Here in Holland the Pioneer drive dropped about $100 last week and today
I saw also the HP drive lowered in price, even $150 lower but still more
expensive than the Pioneer...
But hey, my video is Macbased so I'm stuck at the moment to the option
of the Pioneer AO3.
I wondered if Apple would stick to (only) the Superdrive (i.e. Pioneer).
They did. Which gives the Pioneer drive (i.e. DVD-R and DVD-RW) a longer
life in the DVD-battle.
Not a real big issue, but it IS DVD-related, isn't it? :-)
Ton Guiking (drooling over the A03 and DVDSP, but at the moment only one
project for it...)

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:24:33 -0600
From: Kirk [klohse@tc.cc.tx.us]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Cheap DVD-R Media
message-ID: [3C3E3ED1.7070105@tc.cc.tx.us]
oops--sorry Bob--put the feather in YOUR cap!
K. Lohse
Bob Currier wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 12:49 AM, Richard Lin [richard@3forces.com> wrote:
]
>
>>I think I discovered at my local rental store are self adhesive labels
>>around the hubs of the DVD's. This allows barcoding and store
>>identification. I thought this was kind of cool. Now if I could just find
>>a source for them. Does Polyline sell this stuff?
>>
>
> Check out Veriad (used to be UAL):
>
> www.veriad.com/product/ProductCategory.jsp?BranchId=93>
>
> They're called "CD Core Labels" and are in the long list of CD/DVD/MiniDV
> labels you'll see.
>
> I've been using their labels for years and find that they feed well
> through the printer, and the adhesive stays stuck, which isn't the case
> for a lot of labels.
>
> -----
> Bob Currier rcurrier@synthetic-ap.com
> Synthetic Aperture voice: +1 949 493-3444
> http://www.synthetic-ap.com/ fax: +1 949 203-2108
>
> Color Finesse
> Advanced Color Correction for After Effects and Final Cut Pro
>
>
>
>
> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:53:22 EST
From: Triglyph@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: If money were no object....
message-ID: [57.4c047a0.296f9f92@aol.com]
If money were no object, what is the best DV camera on the market today. I'm
looking for something for professional use on documentaries, industrials and
feature films.
Does anything besides the XL 1 have interchangeable lenses?
I'm also looking for something that will have some lasting power (in so far
as any electronic equipment current model does).
My first idea was to buy a Betacam and put a digital back on it - thus the
larger CCD and a better lens. Unless I can find something better in a
straight DV camera (any system) I think this is what I will do. I need the
larger CCD for less depth of field.
Thanks,
Blain
LA

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Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 03:07:07 +0100
From: "Ton Guiking" [guiking@xs4all.nl]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: If money were no object....
message-ID: <001301c19a44$acbbb180$c4a16dc2@msi>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Triglyph@aol.com [mailto:Triglyph@aol.com]
> Verzonden: vrijdag 11 januari 2002 2:53
> Aan: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Onderwerp: If money were no object....
>
>
> If money were no object, what is the best DV camera on the
> market today. I'm
> looking for something for professional use on documentaries,
> industrials and
> feature films.
>
> Does anything besides the XL 1 have interchangeable lenses?
>
> I'm also looking for something that will have some lasting
> power (in so far
> as any electronic equipment current model does).
>
> My first idea was to buy a Betacam and put a digital back on
> it - thus the
> larger CCD and a better lens. Unless I can find something better in a
> straight DV camera (any system) I think this is what I will
> do. I need the
> larger CCD for less depth of field.
>
From top to bottom (assuming you're in for DVCAM or DV, so not
mentioning the DVCPro line of Panasonic): Sony DSR 500 (also 16:9), JVC
DV-700 (idem), Sony DSR-300, JVC DV 500, and then more or less in the
same league: Canon XL-s (new version), (and now we are leaving the zone
with interchangeable lenses) Sony DSR 250, Sony PD150. Maybe others have
different opinions or maybe I forgot something.
Not all camera's have the same options for cassette size / recording
time.
Ton G.

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Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 03:11:13 +0100
From: "Ton Guiking" [guiking@xs4all.nl]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: If money were no object....
message-ID: <001401c19a45$3fa7d870$c4a16dc2@msi>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Triglyph@aol.com [mailto:Triglyph@aol.com]
> Verzonden: vrijdag 11 januari 2002 2:53
> Aan: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Onderwerp: If money were no object....
>
>
> If money were no object, what is the best DV camera on the
> market today.
P.S. I forgot the Ikegami DVCAM line. Don't know the specs / types at
heart. Comparable with the top of Sony.

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:16:47 -0800
From: Richard Lin [richard@3forces.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: [Fwd: 9.4gig Dual Sided DVD-r Hub Labels]
message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020110181620.03fd7c10@Satellite_2>
Hey Doc-
Thanks--I'll try to find out.
Richard
At 02:05 PM 1/10/2002 -1000, you wrote:
>Richard Lin - This is the reply from
>recordablemedia.com regarding the hub-type labels
>for the dual sided DVD-r's. Polyline also told me
>they do not know who would carry such. Is there
>anyway you can find the source from that video
>store you spoke of? I have exhausted my sources.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Doc Del

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:16:34 -0500
From: "Walt" [wwimberly@cfl.rr.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: If money were no object....
message-ID: <00cc01c19a46$ae661b40$6501a8c0@cfl.rr.com>
I have a Sony DSR-300 and I'm very happy with it. It's very rugged has all
of the professional features you need and is very well balanced. You might
also check out the JVC DV500 or Panasonic's new professional line of DV
camcorders. All of them have larger CCDs and viewfinders.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: [Triglyph@aol.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 8:53 PM
Subject: If money were no object....
> If money were no object, what is the best DV camera on the market today.
I'm
> looking for something for professional use on documentaries, industrials
and
> feature films.
>
> Does anything besides the XL 1 have interchangeable lenses?
>
> I'm also looking for something that will have some lasting power (in so
far
> as any electronic equipment current model does).
>
> My first idea was to buy a Betacam and put a digital back on it - thus the
> larger CCD and a better lens. Unless I can find something better in a
> straight DV camera (any system) I think this is what I will do. I need
the
> larger CCD for less depth of field.
>
> Thanks,
> Blain
> LA

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:37:18 -0500
From: jmerser [jmerser@concentric.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: If money were no object.... (I'd go with digital betacam)
message-ID:
>If money were no object, what is the best DV camera on the market today. I'm
>looking for something for professional use on documentaries, industrials and
>feature films.
>
>Does anything besides the XL 1 have interchangeable lenses?
>
>I'm also looking for something that will have some lasting power (in so far
>as any electronic equipment current model does).
>
>My first idea was to buy a Betacam and put a digital back on it - thus the
>larger CCD and a better lens. Unless I can find something better in a
>straight DV camera (any system) I think this is what I will do. I need the
>larger CCD for less depth of field.
>
>Thanks,
>Blain
>LA
If you mean, "strickly DV" as in using only miniDV tapes,
then it would go to the JVC DV500 or DV700.
But, if you mean a camera that records the DV codec on their own
"professional" tape stock, such as DVCAM or DVCPro, then I'd go with
the Sony DSR 500 WS (which can record dvcam onto miniDV tapes).
Ikagami and Panasonic also make nice stuff in this ++$10,000
price range with a look that many prefer to sony's.
Don't forget that JVC also has 4:2:2 Digital S cameras
(the poor man's digital betacam) available for under $20,000.
jmerser

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:39:46 -0500
From: jmerser [jmerser@concentric.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: HDTV
message-ID:
>No offense, but who wants it?
I do, I do. The problem is I can't afford it ;)
j"720P rocks!"merser

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:43:59 -0500
From: jmerser [jmerser@concentric.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: OT Free Maya
message-ID:
>> Off Topic ...forgive me ...
>> As from February Maya is available for download
>> from AliasWavefront for free....
Brother, any time you have information like this . . .
as Pete Townsend wrote, "You are forgiven!" :)
jmerser

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:47:06 -0500
From: jmerser [jmerser@concentric.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: HDTV
message-ID:
>That why I asked the question, since the allocations that I've seen don't
>make sense for returning spectrum for sale.
Exactly, ALL BANDWIDTH should be turned over for free INTERNET use!!!
jmerser

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:57:26 EST
From: Triglyph@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: If money were no object.... (I'd go with digital betacam)
message-ID: [45.115c803f.296fbca6@aol.com]
In a message dated 1/10/02 7:35:55 PM, jmerser@concentric.net writes:
<< If you mean, "strickly DV" as in using only miniDV tapes,
then it would go to the JVC DV500 or DV700. >>
I should have been more specific: I do not mean only mini-DV.
Blain

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:04:12 -0500
From: HOWARD PHILLIPS [hvap@rcn.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: p0510031cb862dc9f36dd@[165.247.106.18
message-ID: [B863CE6C.F37%hvap@rcn.com]
Panasonic makes some very compact 3-chip DV cameras, the EZ30 and their
latest, I think the PV951 (sorry I don't have the exact model numbers), but
it's the model that uses Leica (!) optics, has optical image stabilisation
instead of the dreadful electronic version, and is amazingly compact! Depite
this fact, both of these cameras have a very nice, larger-than-most
side-viewing screen that is quite bright and visible in most shooting
conditions.
The controls aren't esp easy to get to, and unfortuantely the 951 model I
looked at felt very cheaply-made, but the images it produced were very
beautiful, even compared to the TRV900, my usual favorite.
The 951 also offers a very respectable still-image feature, again, forgive
me for not having all the specs, hopefully you can track the info doen
easily enough.
Hp

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:06:49 -0600 (CST)
From: Vidiot [brown@mrvideo.vidiot.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: HDTV
message-ID: <200201110406.g0B46oW25792@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
Bob England posted:
>Question: What are the channel assignments for digital television?
>Answer: Under the FCC spectrum plan, we have provided most existing broadcasters
>with access to a 6 MHz channel for digital broadcasting within a core digital TV
>spectrum, i.e., TV channels 2 to 51. Because of the limited availability of
>spectrum and the need to accommodate all existing facilities with minimal
>interference among stations, however, during the transition some broadcasters
>would be provided DTV channels outside of this core spectrum (channels 52 to
>69). These broadcasters would have to move their DTV operations to a channel in
>the core spectrum when one became available. Broadcasters whose existing NTSC
>channels were in the core spectrum could move their DTV operations to their NTSC
>channel at some time in the future. Broadcasters whose DTV transition channel
>and existing NTSC channel were both outside of the core area could obtain a new
>DTV channel when channels in the core spectrum are recovered.
>After the transition period (2006), the VHF channels (2-13) will remain
>available for DTV and the analog TV service will end on all channels.
Interesting, since it says that a station with both channels outside the
core "COULD" obtain a new channel. That means they don't have to move.
I wonder if someone goofed when answering that question.
The main thing is that they are putting a positive spin on the 2006 date.
Does it say in a different faq topic what happens with the 2006 date when
the 85% saturation isn't reached?
MB
--
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It is our job to set up the meeting.
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:57:41 -0500
From: david [tughollow@bigplanet.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Farewell & Suggestions
message-ID:
on 1/10/02 6:25 PM, Jeff Hamman at jhamman@earthlink.net wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I am in the Naval Reserve as a Hospital Corpsman Chief.
> I have been recalled to active duty in support of the war
> on terrorism to report in a few weeks. At least one year and
> maybe more. I will be attached to the USMC, 2nd MEU (2nd Marine
> Expeditionary Unit) as medical support staff with a USMC line
> company.
> It appears I will be with 2/23 (2nd Battalion, 23rd Marines)
> and go to CLNC (Camp Lejeune, NC) and use that as a staging area
> for a future operation. As for deploying the rumors are flying
> Afghanistan, Medfloat, Philippines, Somalia, Iraq, Okinawa,
> Gitmo, etc. (This is ONLY speculation, because no one really
> know for sure yet). I may even stay in the states as backfill
> for active duty. I will probably not be able to get word to
> anyone or even say where I am going if deployed, for security
> reasons obviously.
> Believe it or not, I am looking forward to it, so I'm
> upbeat. I guess it gives me a chance to contribute in this
> war on terrorism.
> I am going to try to bring my pocket sized video camera
> should an interesting opportunity present itself. This was
> why I asked about the smallest 3 chip MiniDV camcorder. My
> one CCD Canon Elura may not do so well in low light.
> I figured since press pool access to forward areas of
> operations are restricted, I may be in a unique situation
> to capture something noteworthy.
> I don't know what I will be getting into yet, and I have
> primary duties of medical responsibilities, but if I'm in
> some forward deployed capacity, I may try to create a nice
> documentary of the entire deployment over the course of the
> year.
> Apart from "bullets and bombs", I am hoping there may be
> something along the lines of medical immunizations to refugee
> children or something such as this. I am making arrangements
> to have anything screened or declassified as to not violate
> any DoD policies of security. I will work with USN/USMC
> public affairs video division (Visual Information) on the
> screening of anything captured.
> Any suggestions that you all may have, on something I
> could market "spec" to PBS or Discovery, I am all ears. I'd
> really appreciate any ideas or thoughts you all may have as
> to what angle may be interesting to the public. I have to
> sign off this list in a few days and pack up my computer for
> storage, but I would like to hear input before I do so.
>
> Semper Fi
>
> Jeff Hamman
> Curator/Webmaster
> Beirut Memorial On Line
> http://www.beirut-memorial.org/
>
> _/_/_/_/ Our First Duty is to Remember _/_/_/_/
> _/_/_/_/ (motto of Beirut Veterans of America) _/_/_/_/
>Hello: Three things to remember to begin with. 1st weather so make sure of the
case the camera in relating to salt or damage in droping. 2nd mic distance
and third low light and telephoto range of camera along with stability so
picture does not jump. Good luck. Tughollow
> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
> This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
> http://promax.com, http://videoguys.com, http://panasonic.com/broadcast and
> the contributions of its members.
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:14:20 -0500
From: "Crittenden, Jan" [CRITTENDENJ@PANASONIC.COM]
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'" [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: If money were no object....
message-ID:
You should take a look at the AG-DVC200, excellent DV Camera, take a look
that DV.com site for a very extensive series of posts about the camera. If
you want to go up scale from there I would suggest the AJ-D610, similar to
features on the Sony DSR-500 but quieter in low light and records on Metal
Particle Tape, just like all of the Broadcast formats like Beta SP.
You can take a look at either of these cameras and there certainly a number
more but I really don't want to bore the group. you may contact me off line
if you have any questions.
Best regards,
Jan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triglyph@aol.com [mailto:Triglyph@aol.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:53 PM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: If money were no object....
>
>
> If money were no object, what is the best DV camera on the
> market today. I'm
> looking for something for professional use on documentaries,
> industrials and
> feature films.
>
> Does anything besides the XL 1 have interchangeable lenses?
>
> I'm also looking for something that will have some lasting
> power (in so far
> as any electronic equipment current model does).
>
> My first idea was to buy a Betacam and put a digital back on
> it - thus the
> larger CCD and a better lens. Unless I can find something better in a
> straight DV camera (any system) I think this is what I will
> do. I need the
> larger CCD for less depth of field.
>
> Thanks,
> Blain
> LA
>
> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
> This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such
> as http://promax.com, http://videoguys.com,
> http://panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members.
>
> To contribute money: http://dv411.com/dvl.html
> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe: http://dv-l.org
> DV-L archive at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DV-List
>

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:28:42 -0500
From: "Crittenden, Jan" [CRITTENDENJ@PANASONIC.COM]
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'" [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: Farewell & Suggestions
message-ID:
Jeff wrote:
Believe it or not, I am looking forward to it, so I'm
> upbeat. I guess it gives me a chance to contribute in this
> war on terrorism.
God Bless you Jeff, may He/She return you safely to us. I have to say that I
am glad that there are young men like you.
Thank you for ensuring my liberty,
Jan
>

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:32:49 -1100
From: "TJ Lavata'i" [lavatai@blueskynet.as]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: DVD Encoding problems ...
message-ID: <017401c19a59$072de660$1a4b4dc6@lavapro>
Okay - I'm at the end of my rope.
I've got an RT2000 running on an Asus A7V-E board with an Athlon 1Ghz proc.
I'm on Win2K, using Premiere 6.1 (service Pak) and both Cinemapak 2.62 and
Ligos for DVD encoding.
It seems that no matter what I do, my encoded video from both CCE and Ligos
has very bad motion artifacts during camera pans or when the subject moves
horizontally.
I have tried the default settings, lower field, upper field, no fields, so
it doesn't appear to be an interlacing problem (I see it on the computer
monitor when using Dual Head).
I don;t have the same problems when using the RT2k encoder - but it gives
such lousy results, and I paid so much for CCE, that I'm going to be pretty
upset if I can't get decent results.
Can ANYBODY help me with this ?
Thanks
TJ

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:41:47 -0500
From: "Crittenden, Jan" [CRITTENDENJ@PANASONIC.COM]
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'" [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: DVD Encoding problems ...
message-ID:
Does the software offer the opportunity to raise the data rate to like 9Mbs
on the high side for VBR? This could solve the problem. Motion can cause a
long GOP to fall down if the encoder is not elegant, so if you are working
with VBR then you could offset. This will however affect your overall record
time.
Hoe this helps,
Jan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TJ Lavata'i [mailto:lavatai@blueskynet.as]
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 8:33 PM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: DVD Encoding problems ...
>
>
> Okay - I'm at the end of my rope.
>
> I've got an RT2000 running on an Asus A7V-E board with an
> Athlon 1Ghz proc.
> I'm on Win2K, using Premiere 6.1 (service Pak) and both
> Cinemapak 2.62 and
> Ligos for DVD encoding.
>
> It seems that no matter what I do, my encoded video from both
> CCE and Ligos
> has very bad motion artifacts during camera pans or when the
> subject moves
> horizontally.
> I have tried the default settings, lower field, upper field,
> no fields, so
> it doesn't appear to be an interlacing problem (I see it on
> the computer
> monitor when using Dual Head).
>
> I don;t have the same problems when using the RT2k encoder -
> but it gives
> such lousy results, and I paid so much for CCE, that I'm
> going to be pretty
> upset if I can't get decent results.
>
> Can ANYBODY help me with this ?
>
> Thanks
> TJ
>
>
> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
> This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such
> as http://promax.com, http://videoguys.com,
> http://panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members.
>
> To contribute money: http://dv411.com/dvl.html
> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe: http://dv-l.org
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>

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:44:56 -0500
From: david [tughollow@bigplanet.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: If money were no object....
message-ID:
on 1/10/02 8:53 PM, Triglyph@aol.com at Triglyph@aol.com wrote:
> If money were no object, what is the best DV camera on the market today. I'm
> looking for something for professional use on documentaries, industrials and
> feature films.
>
> Does anything besides the XL 1 have interchangeable lenses?
>
> I'm also looking for something that will have some lasting power (in so far
> as any electronic equipment current model does).
>
> My first idea was to buy a Betacam and put a digital back on it - thus the
> larger CCD and a better lens. Unless I can find something better in a
> straight DV camera (any system) I think this is what I will do. I need the
> larger CCD for less depth of field.
>
> Thanks,
> Blain
> LA
> Hello: The best camera is what works for your purpose. To me I have said
this before the camera has to work in the conditions that I work in ie large
temperature range down to -50 degrees. Thus, not only is the camera
inportant but the mic and the lens along with how well can the camera work
in low light. Also, the batteries and how stable is the camera or what to I
have to do to make it work for me under unstable conditions. If you have a
chance to test certain cameras by renting them then I would do that before
purchase. Then you will know better if the camera works for what your
proposed purpose. Tughollow
> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
> This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
> http://promax.com, http://videoguys.com, http://panasonic.com/broadcast and
> the contributions of its members.
>
> To contribute money: http://dv411.com/dvl.html
> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe: http://dv-l.org
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:12:45 -0700
From: "George Loch" [george@halescreative.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: DV Wonder chipset?
message-ID: <004a01c19a5e$9be405a0$7ac5fea9@halescreative.com>
Anyone know what chipset the DV Wonder is? I am having problems getting it
to work with my Pyro drive kit and was wondering if that was part of of the
problem.
George Loch

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Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:21:01 -0500
From: "Christopher Van Nest" [cvannest@usa.net]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: RE: Farewell & Suggestions
message-ID:
I'd also stress ruggedness, especially in the all-weather and dusty =
conditions you might face. If it doesn't compromise shooting too much, =
you might even consider a Sony miniDV camera and one of their "sport" =
cases for splash resistance as it might repel dust and minor bumps as =
well; haven't used it myself, though, so handle one before buying if =
possible. Although you might not get the highest quality footage out of =
such a small camera, you might feel more liberated to shoot risky (to =
the equipment) scenes, your camera might last longer, and your footage =
might have a better overall chance of making it back. We taped a =
motocross event with a GL1 once and the resultant dust really played =
havoc with the camera; I'd hate to think what prolonged and unprotected =
use may have done to its reliability in the field.
BTW, if you have time before you leave, check out http://www.itvs.org/ =
and http://www.itvs.org/producers/funding.html-- they have grants and =
such for independent producers, and you might find a contact/funder =
through them with similar documentary goals. For instance, they're =
currently highlighting a show called "THE GOOD WAR And Those Who Refused =
to Fight It" which has a military background to it.
Best of luck and thanks for being there for us. It will be great to hear =
how you're doing and how the taping is going whenever you get a chance.
-CV
_______________________
Chris Van Nest
Host/Executive Producer
Trekken(tm), LLC
http://www.trekken.tv/
-----Original Message-----
From: david [mailto:tughollow@bigplanet.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 10:58 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Farewell & Suggestions
on 1/10/02 6:25 PM, Jeff Hamman at jhamman@earthlink.net wrote:
> Folks,
> > I am in the Naval Reserve as a Hospital Corpsman Chief.
> I have been recalled to active duty in support of the war
> on terrorism to report in a few weeks. At least one year and
> maybe more. I will be attached to the USMC, 2nd MEU (2nd Marine
> Expeditionary Unit) as medical support staff with a USMC line
> company.
> It appears I will be with 2/23 (2nd Battalion, 23rd Marines)
> and go to CLNC (Camp Lejeune, NC) and use that as a staging area
> for a future operation. As for deploying the rumors are flying
> Afghanistan, Medfloat, Philippines, Somalia, Iraq, Okinawa,
> Gitmo, etc. (This is ONLY speculation, because no one really
> know for sure yet). I may even stay in the states as backfill
> for active duty. I will probably not be able to get word to
> anyone or even say where I am going if deployed, for security
> reasons obviously.
> Believe it or not, I am looking forward to it, so I'm
> upbeat. I guess it gives me a chance to contribute in this
> war on terrorism.
> I am going to try to bring my pocket sized video camera
> should an interesting opportunity present itself. This was
> why I asked about the smallest 3 chip MiniDV camcorder. My
> one CCD Canon Elura may not do so well in low light.
> I figured since press pool access to forward areas of
> operations are restricted, I may be in a unique situation
> to capture something noteworthy.
> I don't know what I will be getting into yet, and I have
> primary duties of medical responsibilities, but if I'm in
> some forward deployed capacity, I may try to create a nice
> documentary of the entire deployment over the course of the
> year.
> Apart from "bullets and bombs", I am hoping there may be
> something along the lines of medical immunizations to refugee
> children or something such as this. I am making arrangements
> to have anything screened or declassified as to not violate
> any DoD policies of security. I will work with USN/USMC
> public affairs video division (Visual Information) on the
> screening of anything captured.
> Any suggestions that you all may have, on something I
> could market "spec" to PBS or Discovery, I am all ears. I'd
> really appreciate any ideas or thoughts you all may have as
> to what angle may be interesting to the public. I have to
> sign off this list in a few days and pack up my computer for
> storage, but I would like to hear input before I do so.
> > Semper Fi
> > Jeff Hamman
> Curator/Webmaster
> Beirut Memorial On Line
> http://www.beirut-memorial.org/
> > _/_/_/_/ Our First Duty is to Remember _/_/_/_/
> _/_/_/_/ (motto of Beirut Veterans of America) _/_/_/_/
>Hello: Three things to remember to begin with. 1st weather so make sure =
of the
case the camera in relating to salt or damage in droping. 2nd mic =
distance
and third low light and telephoto range of camera along with stability =
so
picture does not jump. Good luck. Tughollow
> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
> This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
> http://promax.com, http://videoguys.com, =
http://panasonic.com/broadcast and
> the contributions of its members.
> > To contribute money: http://dv411.com/dvl.html
> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe: http://dv-l.org
> DV-L archive at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DV-List
-- (cut off when replying)-----------------
This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as =
http://promax.com, http://videoguys.com, http://panasonic.com/broadcast =
and the contributions of its members.
To contribute money: http://dv411.com/dvl.html
All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe: http://dv-l.org
DV-L archive at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DV-List

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:33:43 -0600 (CST)
From: Vidiot [brown@mrvideo.vidiot.com]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: HDTV
message-ID: <200201110533.g0B5XhC28827@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
>I must admit, HD sounds sort-of interesting in print,
>but when I go to CircutCity, the HD sets don't look
>much better than the other good SD sets. In some cases
>up-converted NTSC to HD looks /worse/ on a small HDTV
>set than HD does on a big SD set (after it has been
>down-sampled)!
That is because they don't have any real 1080i or 720p HD material.
It is tough to judge the quality of HDTV sets with non-HDTV material.
>>From reading about the HD recorder, it is clear that
>the broadcasters do not even want us consumers
>recording their signals under this format. Oh, boy!
>More copy protection! More laws against personal rights!
It has less to do with the broadcasters than it does the studios. They
don't want quality copies of their movies being passed around for free.
Instead of fighting the consumer, find ways to work with the consumer.
Telling someone that they can no longer record what they've always
recorded before is not going to go over well.
I'm waiting for the fallout from the new copy protection on CDs. Once
a mainstream CD hits the streets that can't be ripped, it is going to cause
a real loss of sales and people bitching at the government for having
a previous right, which is in the copyright law, from being taken away.
MB
--
e-mail: vidiot@vidiot.com It is God's job to forgive bin Laden.
It is our job to set up the meeting.
U.S. Marine Corp.
Visit - URL: http://www.vidiot.com/ (Your link to Star Trek and UPN)

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:34:53 -0800
From: "Steve M." [sj-steve@pacbell.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Farewell & Suggestions
message-ID: <009c01c19a61$b2874800$6401a8c0@steve>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Hamman" [jhamman@earthlink.net]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:25 PM
Subject: Farewell & Suggestions
> Folks,
>
> I am in the Naval Reserve as a Hospital Corpsman Chief.
> I have been recalled to active duty in support of the war
> on terrorism to report in a few weeks. At least one year and
> maybe more.
Somehow, "Thank You" doesn't seem to be enough.

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Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 01:17:56 EST
From: ADReiff@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Farewell & Suggestions
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I'd suggest bringing the Elura along, too. Always good to have a backup!
Safety and good fortune to you and those around you.
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:29:30 -0700
From: "George Loch" [george@halescreative.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: DUH! DV Wonder chipset?
message-ID: <008b01c19a69$54447260$7ac5fea9@halescreative.com>
So, I actually looked at the card (Duh) and it says 'Agere FW323-04'.
Obviously, it's not TI but, does anyone have experience with this chipset?
George Loch
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From: "George Loch" [george@halescreative.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 10:12 PM
Subject: DV Wonder chipset?
> Anyone know what chipset the DV Wonder is? I am having problems getting it
> to work with my Pyro drive kit and was wondering if that was part of of
the
> problem.
>
> George Loch
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:29:30 -0800
From: "Bob England" [bigwooly1@hotmail.com]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: HDTV
message-ID:
> Interesting, since it says that a station with both channels outside the
> core "COULD" obtain a new channel. That means they don't have to move.
> I wonder if someone goofed when answering that question.
>
> The main thing is that they are putting a positive spin on the 2006 date.
> Does it say in a different faq topic what happens with the 2006 date when
> the 85% saturation isn't reached?
>
> MB
Ha! The FCC probably hasn't figured that out themselves!
A good page to keep with all this is Mark Schubin's Monday Memo at:
http://www.digitaltelevision.com/mondaymemo/mlist/
He doesn't always make it out on Monday, but his memos are full of links to DTV
related stories, etc.
For those who don't know, Mr. Schubin writes an excellent column for
Videography, worth getting the magazine for!
Bob England

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:40:51 -0800
From: Evan Robinson [erobinson@starband.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: [Fwd: 9.4gig Dual Sided DVD-r Hub Labels]
message-ID:
At 2:05 PM -1000 on 2002.01.10, Doc Del wrote about "[Fwd: 9.4gig
Dual Sided DVD-r Hub Labels]":
>Richard Lin - This is the reply from
>recordablemedia.com regarding the hub-type labels
>for the dual sided DVD-r's. Polyline also told me
>they do not know who would carry such. Is there
>anyway you can find the source from that video
>store you spoke of? I have exhausted my sources.
CD Hub Labels are available at:
www.surething.com/ST/page_list.asp?section_id=16&page_id=69>
Evan
By the end of the millenium five
men controlled the world's media.
And the people rejoiced,
because their TVs told them to.
-- Michael Moore

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:48:06 -0800
From: DV-hobbyist [DV-hobbyist@sbcglobal.net]
To: [DV-L@dvcentral.org]
Subject: Re: Farewell & Suggestions
message-ID:
on 1/10/02 3:25 PM, Jeff Hamman at jhamman@earthlink.net digitized:
> I am in the Naval Reserve as a Hospital Corpsman Chief.
> I have been recalled to active duty in support of the war
> on terrorism to report in a few weeks...
I have already prayed for your protection and safety, and I applaud your
courage to go into harm's way.
> I am going to try to bring my pocket sized video camera
> should an interesting opportunity present itself. This was
> why I asked about the smallest 3 chip MiniDV camcorder. My
> one CCD Canon Elura may not do so well in low light.
> I figured since press pool access to forward areas of
> operations are restricted, I may be in a unique situation
> to capture something noteworthy.
Will they even allow you to do that?
> Any suggestions that you all may have, on something I
> could market "spec" to PBS or Discovery, I am all ears. I'd
> really appreciate any ideas or thoughts you all may have as
> to what angle may be interesting to the public. I have to
> sign off this list in a few days and pack up my computer for
> storage, but I would like to hear input before I do so.
The way of life of the poor, everyday people there may be one thing. And I
don't know if you'd even have an opportunity for this, but what about those
tunnels? I'd really be interested to see those cave networks, and not just
the speculative CGI mockups we see on the news.

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:58:45 -1000
From: Doc Del [docdel@maui.net]
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Farewell & Suggestions
message-ID: [3C3E9B35.600A0503@maui.net]
Jeff - as a Vietnam Vet and an ex-combat infantry medic(1/5th &1/7th, 1st Cav Div from Nov. 67 to Feb. 70), I wish you the best and pray you and those with you avoid harm.
Semper Fi, my friend....
Doc Del
Jeff Hamman wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I am in the Naval Reserve as a Hospital Corpsman Chief.
> I have been recalled to active duty in support of the war
> on terrorism to report in a few weeks. At least one year and
> maybe more. I will be attached to the USMC, 2nd MEU (2nd Marine
> Expeditionary Unit) as medical support staff with a USMC line
> company.
> It appears I will be with 2/23 (2nd Battalion, 23rd Marines)
> and go to CLNC (Camp Lejeune, NC) and use that as a staging area
> for a future operation. As for deploying the rumors are flying
> Afghanistan, Medfloat, Philippines, Somalia, Iraq, Okinawa,
> Gitmo, etc. (This is ONLY speculation, because no one really
> know for sure yet). I may even stay in the states as backfill
> for active duty. I will probably not be able to get word to
> anyone or even say where I am going if deployed, for security
> reasons obviously.
> Believe it or not, I am looking forward to it, so I'm
> upbeat. I guess it gives me a chance to contribute in this
> war on terrorism.
> I am going to try to bring my pocket sized video camera
> should an interesting opportunity present itself. This was
> why I asked about the smallest 3 chip MiniDV camcorder. My
> one CCD Canon Elura may not do so well in low light.
> I figured since press pool access to forward areas of
> operations are restricted, I may be in a unique situation
> to capture something noteworthy.
> I don't know what I will be getting into yet, and I have
> primary duties of medical responsibilities, but if I'm in
> some forward deployed capacity, I may try to create a nice
> documentary of the entire deployment over the course of the
> year.
> Apart from "bullets and bombs", I am hoping there may be
> something along the lines of medical immunizations to refugee
> children or something such as this. I am making arrangements
> to have anything screened or declassified as to not violate
> any DoD policies of security. I will work with USN/USMC
> public affairs video division (Visual Information) on the
> screening of anything captured.
> Any suggestions that you all may have, on something I
> could market "spec" to PBS or Discovery, I am all ears. I'd
> really appreciate any ideas or thoughts you all may have as
> to what angle may be interesting to the public. I have to
> sign off this list in a few days and pack up my computer for
> storage, but I would like to hear input before I do so.
>
> Semper Fi
>
> Jeff Hamman
> Curator/Webmaster
> Beirut Memorial On Line
> http://www.beirut-memorial.org/
>
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> _/_/_/_/ (motto of Beirut Veterans of America) _/_/_/_/
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